Luton Airport Car Park Fire

[Vixen]

If all the 12v electrics are at the front, what powers the brake lights, reversing lights, fog lights and number plate lights at the back? Candles?

Er, you get out of your car and make your way to the back, to switch on the reverse, brake, fog and number plate lights..? And when it starts raining you stop the car, exit it and set the operation for the back windscreen wipers..? Or do you have the kids sitting in the back seat to do all of this for you?

"Tarquin, would you mind switching on the brake lights as I am about to slow down - "

<sfx screeching of tyres CRASH!!!>

 

[GlennB]

Er, you get out of your car and make your way to the back, to switch on the reverse, brake, fog and number plate lights..? And when it starts raining you stop the car, exit it and set the operation for the back windscreen wipers..? Or do you have the kids sitting in the back seat to do all of this for you?

"Tarquin, would you mind switching on the brake lights as I am about to slow down - "

<sfx screeching of tyres CRASH!!!>

Jesus, this is close to delirious.

 

[Vixen]

Of Corse, you forgot the diesels in the Sport have Turbo issues the oil seals can leak engine oil into the exhaust causing Runaway like issues.

That's true that luxury sports cars such as Ferraris have these issues. Most car manufacturers are scaling down on that type of model. Those cars catch fire because they are not standardised to ISO or EU level regulations.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

That's true that luxury sports cars such as Ferraris have these issues. However, that is a niche market and because of the turbo, very high CO2 levels. Most car manufacturers are scaling down on that type of model. Those cars catch fire because they are not standardised to ISO or EU level regulations.

The Range Rover Sport Diesel is a Turbo Charged Car, though it appear not to be a Runaway, it appears to be a Fuel line leak spraying Fuel onto a hot surface, the battery is functioning so we can assume the Electric Fuel pump
Also Functions.

 

[Vixen]

Debunked very easily.
https://youtu.be/tSyElplIP-Q?si=L5RINXTEH_Iek9my

Sure, if you cheat and introduce a lit rag.

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1. Start by soaking the brush pile in diesel fuel. This will help the fire burn hot and fast. 2. Next, use a match or lighter to ignite the pile.
Stand back and watch as the flames consume the brush. 3. Once the fire has died down, you’ll be left with a pile of ash that can easily be shoveled up and disposed of. Burning your brush pile with diesel is an easy and effective way to get rid of it quickly.

https://zekebloggingadventures.com/how-to-burn-wet-brush-pile/

 

[zooterkin]

No, I am not "persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up".

I am following the hard, cold, objective science. Not the politics, not the 'Full Facts PR', not the 'legal issues' and not the 'at this stage...subject to verification' issues.


You can obediently wait until the DAILY MAIL let's you know what to think. Us scientists can see for ourselves.

So, if, as you seem to think the 'science' tells you, this was an EV or hybrid car, why are the police and fire service telling us it was a diesel? Who is forcing them to lie to the public, and how?

 

[Mojo]

Er, you get out of your car and make your way to the back, to switch on the reverse, brake, fog and number plate lights..? And when it starts raining you stop the car, exit it and set the operation for the back windscreen wipers..? Or do you have the kids sitting in the back seat to do all of this for you?

"Tarquin, would you mind switching on the brake lights as I am about to slow down - "

<sfx screeching of tyres CRASH!!!>

Do you think the lights, widescreen wipers etc. work by some sort of spooky action at a distance?

 

[zooterkin]

Sure, if you cheat and introduce a lit rag.

https://zekebloggingadventures.com/how-to-burn-wet-brush-pile/

You are aware that diesel actually gets burnt in a diesel engine? It's not some incombustible liquid that produces energy by magic.

 

[Mojo]

You are aware that diesel actually gets burnt in a diesel engine? It's not some incombustible liquid that produces energy by magic.

It must be magic, how else could the rear lights work without being connected to an electrical supply?

 

[zooterkin]

That's true that luxury sports cars such as Ferraris have these issues. Most car manufacturers are scaling down on that type of model. Those cars catch fire because they are not standardised to ISO or EU level regulations.

The car in question was a Range Rover diesel, which is known to have problems with catching fire, and it's a 10 years old model.

Is there any evidence about Land Rovers and fires? Why yes there is. The firm recalled 112,000 of them a few months ago because they had a bad problem with catching fire. A bit under the hood tended to come loose and spray fuel over the hot metal engine bits, causing ignition. Yes, diesel can be lit outside of a pressure cylinder by a hot enough ignition point. You can’t light diesel with a match, but that doesn’t mean it won’t catch fire, just that it’s harder to make it do that.

Diesel cars absolutely can catch fire. https://www.pyroban.com/ignition-risks-on-diesel-engine/

 

[Jack by the hedge]

ICE fires are easily containable. In the more severe ones, perhaps less so

So your scientific opinion as an expert in "combustion fires" is that fuel fires are less severe, and then sometimes they aren't.

Thank you for you useful insight.

Meantime, this particular fire began in a diesel car.

 

[whoanellie]

Us [sic] scientists can see for ourselves.

Vixen, you are not a scientist. You have made that painfully clear by your persistent posting of transparent nonsense here on ISF.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Er, you get out of your car and make your way to the back, to switch on the reverse, brake, fog and number plate lights..? And when it starts raining you stop the car, exit it and set the operation for the back windscreen wipers..? Or do you have the kids sitting in the back seat to do all of this for you?

"Tarquin, would you mind switching on the brake lights as I am about to slow down - "

<sfx screeching of tyres CRASH!!!>

So they aren't powered by electricity on your car?
Some cars even have their battery in the back. All the Jags I have had put the battery in the boot.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That's true that luxury sports cars such as Ferraris have these issues. Most car manufacturers are scaling down on that type of model. Those cars catch fire because they are not standardised to ISO or EU level regulations.

You just made that up. Why would you think they aren't built to any EU standards?

Lots of diesels have a turbo as standard. Even my old works vans had turbo diesels.

Once again you show your complete ignorance of the subject.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Sure, if you cheat and introduce a lit rag.

Perhaps the diesel car cheated and introduced a hot manifold, hot turbocharger or hot exhaust.

You appear to be trying to argue diesel cars cannot catch fire. You appreciate this is trivially untrue, right?

 

[Vixen]

So, if, as you seem to think the 'science' tells you, this was an EV or hybrid car, why are the police and fire service telling us it was a diesel? Who is forcing them to lie to the public, and how?

He is saying, 'at this stage' and subject to verification.

Who indeed has a political interest in all of this...?

The Tata Group has announced a mega investment of £4 billion (about Rs 42,000 crore) in setting up a flagship factory in the UK, to make batteries for Tata Sons owned Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) as well as other manufacturers.

https://www.indiatimes.com/worth/ne...p-chairman-after-gigafactory-deal-609670.html


Ask yourself, why the careful choice of words and failure to actually name the vehicle, model and make?


It's not lying per se, it is a way of saying absolutely nothing 'at this stage'.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You just made that up. Why would you think they aren't built to any EU standards?



Lots of diesels have a turbo as standard. Even my old works vans had turbo diesels.



Once again you show your complete ignorance of the subject.

Turbos are proliferating. Virtually all diesels have them. Lots of petrol cars too these days. In the chase for fuel efficiency and with improving turbo design, cars that once used say a 1.6 to 2.0 litre petrol engine will now have a 1.0 to 1.5 litre turbo petrol engine.

And all those turbos need an oil feed. And they all run really hot.

 

[Vixen]

The car in question was a Range Rover diesel, which is known to have problems with catching fire, and it's a 10 years old model.


Diesel cars absolutely can catch fire. https://www.pyroban.com/ignition-risks-on-diesel-engine/

That is if the registration plate has been identified correctly. It is not identified by the Fire Brigade or the Police, just 'some guy on twitter'.

The article is a fine rant by Michael Bernard, the author, but the 112,000 Land Rovers recalled are the Hybrid ones of 2018 - 2021, nothing to do with a 2015 derv.

In addition, Jaguar Land Rover is no longer British, it is Indian-owned and is also well-known for producing cars with a lot of problems. So the entire article is a nothing burger and a 'what-about-this-that and the other-isms'.

 

[phiwum]

Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.



A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.



It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.

I thought you were just reporting on the reactions of others and waiting for an official statement.

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[Vixen]

Perhaps the diesel car cheated and introduced a hot manifold, hot turbocharger or hot exhaust.

You appear to be trying to argue diesel cars cannot catch fire. You appreciate this is trivially untrue, right?

I didn't say that at all. Statistics show that ICE cares are more likely to catch fire than EV's or HEV's.

It's the nature of the fire that differs.