Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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That's truly disturbing. Maybe you should seek help?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Yep. Could be an electrical short, sparks caused by metal rubbing on metal, or heat from friction. And diesel will wick into anything porous and flow over surfaces to carry the flames.

As this vehicle had only just stopped the engine would have been hot, especially around the exhaust which would certainly be above 52°C.



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Notice in the first video, the flames are rising upwards underneath the bonnet (or, 'hood' as they say in the US). In the second, note the thick black smoke.

In any case, think about the intensity of the heat. Maximum IIRC circa 600 degrees centrigrade for diesel. Yet concrete only suffers superficial spalling at that temperature. Check out the video here of the Luton Airport Fire in which a car falls through a concrete floor/ceiling to the level below. Just that section, so not a 'structural collapse' but particular to that burning vehicle.

https://x.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1714195533047136321?s=20
 
Vixen said:
Notice in the first video, the flames are rising upwards underneath the bonnet (or, 'hood' as they say in the US). In the second, note the thick black smoke.

In any case, think about the intensity of the heat. Maximum IIRC circa 600 degrees centrigrade for diesel. Yet concrete only suffers superficial spalling at that temperature. Check out the video here of the Luton Airport Fire in which a car falls through a concrete floor/ceiling to the level below. Just that section, so not a 'structural collapse' but particular to that burning vehicle.

https://x.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1714195533047136321?s=20
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Cars have more flammable material than diesel.

Diesel was used as fuel in Royal Navy steam boilers up until the last turbine power ships were phased out, they could heat the water to well over 1000 degrees in the superheaters.

A fire in a building like that is going to create a draught which will increase the intensity of the flame.
That's what a steam boiler uses draught to increase the temperature in the combustion chamber.
On the RN firefighting course we were thought how to decide if a fire should be ventilated to clear smoke in passageways or closed down to reduce It's intensity, which hinders fighting it of course.
 
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Vixen said:
Notice in the first video, the flames are rising upwards underneath the bonnet (or, 'hood' as they say in the US). In the second, note the thick black smoke.

In any case, think about the intensity of the heat. Maximum IIRC circa 600 degrees centrigrade for diesel. Yet concrete only suffers superficial spalling at that temperature. Check out the video here of the Luton Airport Fire in which a car falls through a concrete floor/ceiling to the level below. Just that section, so not a 'structural collapse' but particular to that burning vehicle.

https://x.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1714195533047136321?s=20
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Buildings like the car park are held together with steel
What temperature does steel lose strength?

Diesel can heat things to a higher temperature than 600 degrees. RN steam turbine powered ships had boilers fuelled by diesel up until the last ones were retired in the 90s. They were capable of producing steam at over 1000 degrees.

Also cars contain lots of other flammable materials.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Buildings like the car park are held together with steel
What temperature does steel lose strength?

Diesel can heat things to a higher temperature than 600 degrees. RN steam turbine powered ships had boilers fuelled by diesel up until the last ones were retired in the 90s. They were capable of producing steam at over 1000 degrees.

Also cars contain lots of other flammable materials.
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Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.

A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.

It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.
 
Vixen said:
Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.

A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.

It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.
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Aaaaaand..... the curtain drops to the floor.

Vixen reveals her true CT views, ditching the "some people are saying" sleight-of-hand to go full-on batcrap sloblock.
 
If all the 12v electrics are at the front, what powers the brake lights, reversing lights, fog lights and number plate lights at the back? Candles?
 
Seems we've gone from this:

Vixen said:
So now, anyone who wants to understand how something in current affairs has happened, for example the Luton Airport Car Park fire must be greatly feared as a conspiracy theorist, because after all, we mustn't ask questions for fear of upsetting those who aren't particularly interested in why the Range Rover caught fire in such a way as to cause the entire multilevel car park to collapse.
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to a single car burning its way through a floor.
 
Vixen said:
Notice in the first video, the flames are rising upwards underneath the bonnet (or, 'hood' as they say in the US). In the second, note the thick black smoke.

In any case, think about the intensity of the heat. Maximum IIRC circa 600 degrees centrigrade for diesel. Yet concrete only suffers superficial spalling at that temperature. Check out the video here of the Luton Airport Fire in which a car falls through a concrete floor/ceiling to the level below. Just that section, so not a 'structural collapse' but particular to that burning vehicle.

https://x.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1714195533047136321?s=20
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I'll ask again. Are you really persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up?
 
Vixen said:
Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.

A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.

It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.
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Argument from incredulity. How about going and educating yourself about car fires, rather than displaying your ignorance about the subject here?
 
zooterkin said:
I'll ask again. Are you really persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up?
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Probably not. All of Vixen's CT's are constantly evolving as she gets progressively backed into corners that she finds hard to get out of. A week from now her "facts" will be quite different. All she ever knows for sure is that if a large group of people here know, with evidence, that a thing happened in a certain way that is proof positive that it didn't and there is a cover-up.
 
Vixen said:
Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel...
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Therefore the thousands of ICE car fires every year are all fake and part of the conspiracy. I see.
 
zooterkin said:
I'll ask again. Are you really persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up?
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No, I am not "persisting with a conspiracy theory that the car was a EV or hybrid and it's been hushed up".

I am following the hard, cold, objective science. Not the politics, not the 'Full Facts PR', not the 'legal issues' and not the 'at this stage...subject to verification' issues.


You can obediently wait until the DAILY MAIL let's you know what to think. Us scientists can see for ourselves.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Therefore the thousands of ICE car fires every year are all fake and part of the conspiracy. I see.
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ICE fires are easily containable. In the more severe ones, perhaps less so but they don't keep burning for twelve hours or even days and then have to be cooled off in a massive skip.

I am entirely objective. I have nothing against ICE cars or EV/MHEV or HEV cars. Just tell the facts as they are, please.

No whataboutism or rationalization. Hard facts.
 
Vixen said:
Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.

A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.

It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.
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Debunked very easily.
https://youtu.be/tSyElplIP-Q?si=L5RINXTEH_Iek9my
 
Vixen said:
Diesel/Petrol cars have been manufactured for 137 years. The manufacturers have developed all kinds of safety features, such as the fuel tank at the back of the vehicle, well away from the 12V electrics towards the front. The fuel runway along the car is protected from potential ignition. Diesel cars don't even have spark plugs, as petrol cars do, petrol being infinitely more volatile and prone to combusting than diesel.

A q lithium battery doesn't even need a spark or lighted flame at 52°C it can combust at normal temperature without any catalyst, simply a faulty cell or knock will do it. Plus it oxygenates itself.

It is crazy to pretend that this was an innocuous diesel fire.
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And yet an electrical fire will burn the other combustible material and eventually ignite the fuel
Fuel pumps and the level sensor in the tank are electrically powered.
A running engine is pumping fuel under high pressure in to the engine bay and injectors. One failed line or joint means fuel is spraying over the engine and hot exhaust manifold.
 
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