Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Vixen said:
So they are all hastily up for sale now, before the prices crash ;)?


No thanks, I just bought a brand new 2023 car at that price zero mileage.
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Sorry, I can't find the part where you say, "Oops, I was wrong, there were hybrid versions available then". Did you accidentally delete it?
 
Vixen said:
It seems clear to me that Full Fact is fact checking what has been reported in the press.
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You imagine that fact-checking consists of reading the same press release everyone has already seen and then paraphrasing it back to us. That says a lot about your attitude to research.

Meanwhile in the real world you are obviously wrong.
 
Foster Zygote said:
No, it doesn't. But even if it did, A police investigation of an accident does not automatically imply that anything criminal has taken place.

And if there was a police investigation, in the context that you imply, does that mean that they're in on the cover up as well? Are they working with the fire fighters and the media to cover up for Big Battery?
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If your brand new Merc, parked at Luton Airport whilst you went on holiday, went up in flames because of a possible act of negligence or faulty wiring by another car/driver, your insurers would want to ensure the right person/company is responsible for the costs of the write-off, and likewise, if it is a fault with the model, it could cause huge reputational damage to the manufacturers concerned, plus the car showrooms that sold it (cf the Cork car park fire).

So yeah, the Fire Chief was given 'legal advice' to only say the bare minimum that cannot prejudice any future court case, criminal or civil.
 
Vixen said:
Full Fact and the X/Twitter account has précis-ed what Mr. Hopkinson said in his ONE press conference.
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That is very clearly not what Full Fact said. In claiming that is what they did you are accusing them of deceit. What justification do you have for this? Is it a conspiracy theory?
 
zooterkin said:
You think that Full Fact are lying when they say that they have confirmed directly with the fire service? What evidence do you have for that?
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Lying means a deliberate attempt to deceive. I don't think Full Fact are lying but in their determination to gag the anti-ULEZ swivel-eyed loonies' disinformation of EV's, they themselves have taken a position, which is rather contrary to their claim of being 100% factual and unbiased. Or it is even possible that like yourself, they misunderstood Mr. Hopkinson's statement as being definitive and unqualified.
 
Vixen said:
We have been told that the car is not an EV ('it is believed') but a derv.

That doesn't rule out a diesel hybrid.

So if the car turns out to have been a hybrid or a full EV, then that is the Beds Fire Chief lying by omission. He has obviously been told what he can and cannot say.
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Oh good grief, more childish conspiratorial drivel.
 
Vixen said:
How can they know on day one, when the CCTV cameras likely melted very quickly and they'd have to await forensic experts to pinpoint the exact cause.

Hold that thought and let's see whether a lithium battery is involved or not when confirmation comes through.
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So we can video and data storage to the long list of things you don't understand.
Sigh.
The cameras are connected, by RF or wired networking, to a control centre where they can be monitoried and recorded.
 
zooterkin said:
What does that have to do with the fire starting in a diesel car, which is what this thread is about?
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If you read my post correctly, you would have understood I was asking Crazy Chainsaw whether a diesel fire has the property to burn away the concrete floor, and this was in response to his listing the properties of a diesel fire.
 
Vixen said:
...And why do ships run on diesel fuel and not petrol...? Anything to do with its low propensity to burst into flame?
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Cost. And most run on kerosene or bunker fuel, heavier hydrocardons than either.
 
Vixen said:
What is your opinion about this same diesel fire being able to burn away the concrete floor?
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Firstly, is your source for the detailed damage caused by the fire any more reliable than your source for there being no such thing as a 2014 diesel hybrid Range Rover Sport?

Your previous bewilderment that the fire service did not rush into a parking structure fully involved in a fire leads me to imagine there might be some gaps in your personal expertise.
 
Agatha said:
The words that Full Fact used were "confirmed to Full Fact". There is no way to read that as a précis of Mr Hopkinson's statement; indeed, a quick read of Full Fact's website shows clearly that they independently fact check by obtaining confirmation from the relevant source rather than rely on press releases.
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Er, no! Some admin bod simply précis-ed back Mr. Hopkinson's original words.
 
Vixen said:
If you read my post correctly, you would have understood I was asking Crazy Chainsaw whether a diesel fire has the property to burn away the concrete floor, and this was in response to his listing the properties of a diesel fire.
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Christ on a flaming stunt motorbike ... is it "Jet fuel can't melt steel" all over again?
 
Er, no. That's not what they do. It's clear from their website that they don't regurgitate press releases but that they independently fact check.

It's also clear to anyone with English as a first language from the words "confirmed to fact check" and the word "previously" (referring to the press release) that they did not use the press release.
 
Vixen said:
Er, no! Some admin bod simply précis-ed back Mr. Hopkinson's original words.
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Again, that is very clearly not what they said. You are accusing them of deceit.

You are accusing them of conspiring to "gag the anti-ULEZ swivel-eyed loonies' disinformation of EV's" instead of checking facts. You are a conspiracy theorist, siding with the "swivel-eyed loonies".
 
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