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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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Vixen said:
You have also never explained why the MV Estonia eye witnesses did not experience what they related they experienced.
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It's been explained too many times to count. You are not able to distinguish between what a witness observed and what that witness inferred. We properly take their observation as evidence, but not their inference.
 
Vixen said:
No, sorry, you are the person claiming I did not experience what I said I experienced. Onus is on you to prove I did not experience what I experienced.
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Nope, I've stated that you're wrong about Kemo sabi being cockney slang. You have repeatedly stated it is, yours is the positive claim. Provide evidence that kemo sabi(/e) is cockney slang.
Vixen said:
You have also never explained why the MV Estonia eye witnesses did not experience what they related they experienced. .
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Except that isn't what I stated. Ever. I stated that they absolutely heard sounds. All I have stated is that they were mistaken as to the cause of them. If they said they heard a loud banging noise, then I absolutely believe them. If they then surmise that this was an explosion, then I will state that they are incorrect in their assessment of what caused the noise. It's that simple.
Vixen said:
You seem to have a belief that yours is the ubiquitous view and if it is outwith your experience or ken then 'it can't have happened'.
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The irony, it burns.
 
Vixen said:
There was a waypoint when the ship changed direction. The wind also changed course slighty during the night. Wind gusts, in addition, tend to have circular movement if you have ever noticed trees swaying back and forth.
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Do winds swirl around like this in an attempt to avoid answering questions?

The ship was travelling west northwest and the wind was blowing from the west southwest. The wind was not, as you repeatedly claimed, helping the ship along. Quite the opposite.
 
Vixen said:
Rubbish. Any fule no knots travel over nautical miles.
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Yes, everyone with any basic understanding of sea or air navigation understands that a knot is measure of speed meaning one nautical mile per hour. You, however, treated it as a unit of distance and wrongly believed the associated unit of speed was "knots per hour." And now you're trying to pretend you made no such mistake.
 
JayUtah said:
Yes, everyone with any basic understanding of sea or air navigation understands that a knot is measure of speed meaning one nautical mile per hour. You, however, treated it as a unit of distance and wrongly believed the associated unit of speed was "knots per hour." And now you're trying to pretend you made no such mistake.
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Gee, this seems familiar.
 
Vixen said:
Actually, the standard phrase is 'Many a true word spoken in jest'. People abridge original quotes all the time. It is the meaning that counts.
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It's the meaning that counts if you simply use the aphorism. The point of contention here is not the meaning, it is that you refused to be corrected on your attribution.

Most of this thread is not actually about MS Estonia. It's about Vixen avoiding admitting making mistakes.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
It's the meaning that counts if you simply use the aphorism. The point of contention here is not the meaning, it is that you refused to be corrected on your attribution.
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Indeed. I'm still waiting for Vixen to tell us where in King Lear the quote (in either form) is located.
 
GlennB said:
Or anything even vaguely similar in wording.
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I searched the text for "many". There were 12 (well 13, but one was the word Germany) results. Oddly, none of them were even remotely close to the supposed quote.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
I searched the text for "many". There were 12 (well 13, but one was the word Germany) results. Oddly, none of them were even remotely close to the supposed quote.
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The line "Jesters do oft prove prophets." carries the general meaning of the quote, but that's the nearest it gets.
 
phiwum said:
Still, a misattribution happens. Obviously, I didn't know the quote offhand.

Using knots when you mean nautical miles is a more relevant error to poke at, but even that poking goes only so far.

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The point isn't that the mistake is important though, it's that Vixen is absolutely unable to ever admit to making a mistake about anything.

Sure, making a mistake about Shakespeare or cockney slang isn't really important in the scheme of this thread, but the fact that Vixen absolutely will not admit to making any mistakes over anything IS important.
 
phiwum said:
Still, a misattribution happens. Obviously, I didn't know the quote offhand.

Using knots when you mean nautical miles is a more relevant error to poke at, but even that poking goes only so far.

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This thread is on it's sixth iteration precisely because of the OP's refusal to admit to any error or acknowledge evidence that refutes her conspiracy theory, that's why these errors, which other people would hold their hand up to and move on, get highlighted.
 
Dabop said:
Same with planes and their air speed (I occasionally fly a little 172)- the airspeed has no correlation to the ground speed (in fact in strong enough winds, a 172 can 'take off' without even having the engine running) - hence the need for 'tiedowns' when parked- it's actually rather funny watching an improperly tied down Cessna 'hovering' in wind speeds of about 80-100 kmh- at those wind speeds if the tiedowns are slack- its wheels can literally leave the ground and it sits there 'in mid air'
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Also the direction of the heading of the bow isn't always the course over the ground, wind, current and tide have a lot to do with it.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
The point isn't that the mistake is important though, it's that Vixen is absolutely unable to ever admit to making a mistake about anything.

Sure, making a mistake about Shakespeare or cockney slang isn't really important in the scheme of this thread, but the fact that Vixen absolutely will not admit to making any mistakes over anything IS important.
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As well as defending glaring mistakes to the bitter end. There are too many to list.
 
Vixen said:
I thought it was a given that a knot is a measure of speed and it is measured in nautical miles not standard miles. But it can be converted by a simple formula.

You can indeed calculate distance travelled if you know (a) speed, whether knots or mph or kph and (c) time taken.

Why is everything so difficult?
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Distance over time doesn't work if you don't take in to account wind, current and tide. A speed through the water rarely matches distance travelled
 
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