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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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phiwum said:
Oh, look, a non-sequitur using trivial physics in order to avoid admitting that you thought "knot" was a measure of distance. No one saw that coming.
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I thought it was a given that a knot is a measure of speed and it is measured in nautical miles not standard miles. But it can be converted by a simple formula.

You can indeed calculate distance travelled if you know (a) speed, whether knots or mph or kph and (c) time taken.

Why is everything so difficult?
 
phiwum said:
I don't care for all the time spent trying to convince you to admit trivial errors. I think it's pointless and mean spirited.

However, any sympathy I might have diminishes when you mislead like this. The above is a quote from King Lear, but it's not what you wrote. You wrote, "There hath been many a true word spoken in jest."

Just admit a minor misquote and move on to making more important errors regarding the sinking of the Estonia.
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Actually, the standard phrase is 'Many a true word spoken in jest'. People abridge original quotes all the time. It is the meaning that counts.
 
Vixen said:
I thought it was a given that a knot is a measure of speed and it is measured in nautical miles not standard miles. But it can be converted by a simple formula.

You can indeed calculate distance travelled if you know (a) speed, whether knots or mph or kph and (c) time taken.

Why is everything so difficult?
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Then why did you say "knots per hour"?
 
Dabop said:
A car drives in circles (say about the size of a racetrack) for 20 mins at 60 miles an hour- doesn't end up 20 miles away from the racetrack...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fCbNgfWgRY

In fact, by using 'vixens patented speed calculator' system (measure the straight line distance from start to finish and divide (or possibly multiply, depending on which way the wind is blowing, if the sun is up or down, or just at random) the time taken- those cars never moved at all!!! (one lap = distance around the course from start line to finish line- so measure the straightline distance from the two lines- um zero, so speed = zero...)

It makes about as much sense as her mess LOL
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It will have still have travelled a distance 20 miles, even if it was only going around in laps. Distance is not necessarily linear or 'as the crow flies'.
 
zooterkin said:
You, or your 'old lag' cockney china, are clearly confused. 'Savvy' means to understand, among other related meanings. It is nothing to do with 'kemosabe'. Possibly your mucker was making a private joke by sticking 'kemo' on the front, but it's not common currency.
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If you want to go into etymology, the word 'savvy has always been associated with knowing and understanding, as the French is 'savoire' and slang has 'savvy', which according to the dictionary:

late 17th century (as a verb, earliest in the form savee ): via West African pidgin English, from Portuguese or Spanish saber ‘know’, from Latin sapere be wise (see sapient).
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~ Oxford Languages


It is very easy to see why cockneys of the 1970's began to use the term 'Kimo Sabi?' as a play on the popular Lone Ranger series.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Which is why the speed of a ship through the water is no indication of its speed over the ground. If it was all that tedious messing around with position fixes colour be got rid of.

Before anyone (no names) jumps in to say it's at sea not on the ground. Yes, that is the correct term for the sea bed in this instance.
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As I recall, the JAIC calculated MV Estonia was 198km into its journey (check this) so it was at the half-way point, give or take 5km either way. As of 6.55 hrs into its journey, this calculates as an average speed of 30.229 kph which converts into an average speed of 16.32235 knots.
 
But they didn't. No cockney says that. Please provide evidence of cockneys using kemo sabi as cockney slang at any point. No, your say so isn't evidence.
 
Vixen said:
Actually, the standard phrase is 'Many a true word spoken in jest'. People abridge original quotes all the time. It is the meaning that counts.
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Here is the full text of King Lear and it's searchable with a simple <ctrl>+f. Do search it for 'jest' and let us know what you find.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Like the old Cary Grant movie South by West West.

Vixen what approximate heading do you think the Estonia was on when it got into trouble? My recollection is approximately west northwest. Do you agree? And how would a wind blowing from the west southwest have 'helped it along'?
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There was a waypoint when the ship changed direction. The wind also changed course slighty during the night. Wind gusts, in addition, tend to have circular movement if you have ever noticed trees swaying back and forth.
 
wollery said:
What you have in that video is a film scene written in a style to seem like someone talking in Cockney rhyming slang. There's far too much plain English for this to be misunderstood. But just for clarity, here's a list of all the Cockney rhyming slang used and how it works.

Roger – Roger Mellie = Telly (Television)
Iron Rusted = Busted (broken)
Battle cruiser = Boozer (pub)
Custard – Custard and Jelly = Telly (Television)
North – North and South = Mouth
Liza – Liza Minelli = Telly (Television)
Claret – Not actually cockney rhyming slang, just the colour of blood
Jam rolls = ***holes
Aristotle = Bottle
Ping pong = Strong
Tiddly – Tiddly wink = Drink
Sub = Pub
Bird’s Nest = Chest

You'll notice that every single phrase in the clip used rhymes (sometimes in the long form) with the actual word meant. That's how Cockney Rhyming slang works. That's why it's called Cockney rhyming slang.

Explain to me the rhyme for Kimo Sabi.
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quién no sabe?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
But they didn't. No cockney says that. Please provide evidence of cockneys using kemo sabi as cockney slang at any point. No, your say so isn't evidence.
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No, sorry, you are the person claiming I did not experience what I said I experienced. Onus is on you to prove I did not experience what I experienced.

You have also never explained why the MV Estonia eye witnesses did not experience what they related they experienced. You seem to have a belief that yours is the ubiquitous view and if it is outwith your experience or ken then 'it can't have happened'.
 
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