Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

[Vixen]

A knot is a measurement of speed, equivalent to one nautical mile per hour. It's nonsensical to propose to measure distance in knots. One properly measures distance in nautical miles, in cases where that's the appropriate measure. (Other cases might want kilometers, for example.)

"Knots per hour" is not a measurement of speed. It can technically (but not practically) be used as a measurement of acceleration, but that's not relevant.

Maybe you shouldn't pretend you know what you're talking about when it comes to shipping.

Of course you can calculate apx distance travelled if you have the parameters of unit of speed x time taken.

For example, a car travelling at 60mph for 20 mins can be estimated to have traveled 20 miles (60 x 0.33333).

 

[GlennB]

Must check your work.


[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53217474032_1fc30a59d8_c.jpg[/qimg]knots into miles ph by Username Vixen, on Flickr

Your claim was 137, not 117.

Are you OK? Are you drunk? If you're in Finland it's well into the early hours.

eta: Please view your own posts and adjust their screen size.

 

[JayUtah]

Of course you can calculate...

Distractive nonsense. You can't demonstrate you know what a knot and a nautical mile are. You're not the teacher here, Vixen. You're not even an especially bright student. Kindly stop pretending you know anything about shipping.

 

[Vixen]

I would argue it's not just technical subjects. She's also proven to be utterly clueless about politics, strategic studies, how university works, cockney slang...

You don't even know when someone knows better than you. So arrogant and yet so ignorant. Not a laudible combination.

"Shut gob, pin back lug'oles and put t'brain in gear' ~ Yorkshire homily.

 

[zooterkin]

Must check your work.


[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53217474032_1fc30a59d8_c.jpg[/qimg]knots into miles ph by Username Vixen, on Flickr

Check your own work, you said 137 knots, not 117.

 

[Vixen]

Literally, because among other things her calculations assume that Estonia maintained a constant speed right up to the moment it sank.

Did you miss the bit where I said 'average speed, as estimated by the JAIC (iirc)'...?


Ergo an average speed of 18 knots.

Over 6.55 hours that equates to (18 x 6.55) = 117.9 nautical miles = 134 miles or 216 km. Another 193 km as the crow flies from Uto* to Stockholm.

I'd say that was midway.

*(40km away from MV Estonia; actually 38km to be precise)

 

[JayUtah]

You don't even know when someone knows better than you.

"knots per hour..."

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, will you admit to any of the errors you've made in these threads?

ETA: Here's a nice easy one.



That's not a Shakespeare quote. Will you admit this?

“Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.”
― William Shakespeare, King Lear

Fact.

 

[zooterkin]

I can confirm Kemo sabe was cockney slang for "understand". Actually, it should read Kimo Sabe.

Do you think you could possibly be consistent with your inaccuracies?

'Kimo sabi', is cockney slang for, 'Do you speak English?'

 

[JayUtah]

...nautical miles...

Oh, look, a subtle change conforming to a rebuttal, but without acknowledging your prior error. Just like when you smoothly started using ′ correctly to mean minutes very quickly after people pointed out that ″ doesn't mean that. Don't think we can't see you trying to pretend to be smarter than everyone (and generally failing).

 

[zooterkin]

“Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.”
― William Shakespeare, King Lear

Fact.

You'll be able to give the Act and Scene, then?

 

[Vixen]

And the captain is wrong.

He was there. You were not.

The Ancient Romans had a very simple method for ascertaining truth. Their aphorism was: 'Seeing is believing'. This still applies to criminal law today.

Capn Makela and Capn Thoresson saw what they saw and they are quite capable of making up their own minds.

 

[JayUtah]

He was there. You were not.

Irrelevant. The captain's expectations are in question, not his observations. His expectations are in error.

 

[GlennB]

I can confirm Kemo sabe was cockney slang for "understand". Actually, it should read Kimo Sabe.

Nope. Cockney rhyming slang doesn't work like that.

In the unlikely event that a Cockney wanted rhyming slang for 'understand?' then it might go like this -

understand? ... band (the rhyme) ... marching band (the phrase containing the rhyme) ... marching? (the abbreviated form a Cockney would use)

 

[zooterkin]

You don't even know when someone knows better than you. So arrogant and yet so ignorant. Not a laudible combination.

"Shut gob, pin back lug'oles and put t'brain in gear' ~ Yorkshire homily.

<fx: sound of exploding irony meters>

 

[Vixen]

Do you think you could possibly be consistent with your inaccuracies?

'Do you speak English' can be a variation of 'Do you understand'.

 

[Vixen]

Your claim was 137, not 117.

Are you OK? Are you drunk? If you're in Finland it's well into the early hours.

eta: Please view your own posts and adjust their screen size.

How sweet of you to care.

 

[GlennB]

How sweet of you to care.

Please correct your mistake.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You'll be able to give the Act and Scene, then?

Irrelevant, Vixen didn't originally give that quote.

There hath been many a true word spoken in jest ~ Shakespeare

 

[JayUtah]

How sweet of you to care.

You should be glad someone does. The world is not generally obliged to defer to amateur analysis offered by someone who can't demonstrate a correct understanding of the relevant fundamentals.