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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 8

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Andy_Ross said:
One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has announced it will no longer supply weapons to the country as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66873495.amp
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From your source:

Poland has already sent Ukraine 320 Soviet-era tanks and 14 MiG-29 fighter jets and has little more to offer.
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Arms exports to Ukraine will not stop completely as Polish manufacturer PGZ is due to send about 60 Krab artillery weapons in the coming months.
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So not quite the fit of pique it seems from the headline. Hopefully as the "modern weapons" come on stream in Poland further stocks of ex soviet gear will be released. The question then is the timeframe.
 
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I get confused, but my understanding is that Russia supported Armenia in the conflict with Azerbaijan. Recently Azerbaijan has had success in Nagorno-Karabakh; it looks like Russia acted as peace broker but could not intervene much otherwise.

Which makes me wonder ... is this finally going to be when other regions Russia has had "influence" on, start to break away or regain territories? e.g. will things starts to happen in places like Georgia?

(That's been one of the biggest surprises for me in this war; Chechnya, Belarus, Georgia ... so far, so little advantage has been taken of Russia being too stretched.)
 
pzkpfw said:
I get confused, but my understanding is that Russia supported Armenia in the conflict with Azerbaijan. Recently Azerbaijan has had success in Nagorno-Karabakh; it looks like Russia acted as peace broker but could not intervene much otherwise.

Which makes me wonder ... is this finally going to be when other regions Russia has had "influence" on, start to break away or regain territories? e.g. will things starts to happen in places like Georgia?

(That's been one of the biggest surprises for me in this war; Chechnya, Belarus, Georgia ... so far, so little advantage has been taken of Russia being too stretched.)
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Well, Azerbaijan did kill some Russian "peace keepers". I'm imagining a family pulling strings to wrangle a safe posting there rather than Ukraine, and then finding that their son has still been killed by the forces of a former constituent of the USSR
 
Andy_Ross said:
One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has announced it will no longer supply weapons to the country as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66873495.amp
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Lplus said:
From your source:



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So not quite the fit of pique it seems from the headline. Hopefully as the "modern weapons" come on stream in Poland further stocks of ex soviet gear will be released. The question then is the timeframe.
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dudalb said:
I suspect Ukraine will make a few concessions on Grain, and things will get back to normal.
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Poland has already said that the comments were misunderstood, and that agreed-upon aid will continue to flow as agreed. What's actually happening there is that Poland is running out of equipment it can spare without unacceptably weakining its own military. Since Poland shares a border with Belarus, this is a serious concern. It was just badly phrased.

And it seems Ukraine and Poland have also reached an agreement on the grain thing.
 
Poland will have its upcoming election and then this will blow over. What worries me is this kind of thing is liable to repeat itself as each of Ukraine's benefactor nations goes into an election and the party in power needs to pander to the direct financial interests of groups of its voters.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
A day and a half later this just popped up briefly as "breaking news" on the BBC website though having clicked away to their twitter link, I couldn't then find it again.

But anyway here's that twitter link to a shot of a colonnaded building on fire:
https://twitter.com/christopherjm/status/1705179216550011003?s=48&t=-NayP7sNW60zTc-GAK2vIw
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CNN has several stories on this, all posted within the last 90 minutes. The odd thing is, though, they imply that the strikes took place today.
 
It would seem this is a second attack on the fleet headquarters.

Poor old Russian Navy isn't doing very well in this war
 
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The attack on the fleet headquarters.

You can hear the sound of the jet engines of the Storm Shadow missiles. There's a couple of particularly large explosions.
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[off topic]The British come up with some really cool names for weapons, and "Storm Shadow" is IMHO one of the coolest.[/off topic]
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
[off topic]The British come up with some really cool names for weapons, and "Storm Shadow" is IMHO one of the coolest.[/off topic]
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Mike! said:
Ukraine to get some "attack 'ems"...


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...biden-zelenskyy-long-range-missile-rcna116876
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For me, acronyms that 'accidentally' spell out 'cool' words are only slightly above literal comic book character names.

Above that, I rank the Russian practice of picking a theme and sticking with it. Granit, Onyx, etc. for anti-ship missiles. Different kinds of flowers for field artillery.

Above that, NATO reporting names. Bear. Blackjack. Flanker. Havok. Hind.

Above that, descriptive names and their acronyms. Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM). Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM). Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB). HOPE/HOSBO. KEPD.

Above that, plain-jane alphanumeric designators. AGM-158 (also the JASSM). S-300. AIM-9X. M240. M7. B61.

Above that, fan nicknames. Fat Amy. Slap-chop. Mother Of All Bombs.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Ukraine is getting more long-range precision weapons from its friends.
 
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