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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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As I said earlier. I'm not going to respond to the same **** about EPIRBs again.

If you have nothing new **** off.

I'm out of here.

It was weakness that made me respond again after I said the same thing yesterday.
 
This is resolution 695 A 17 as referred to in the IMO above


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Source: CHAPTER III Reg 6 Section 2.3

NOTING that the Conference of Contracting Governments to the
International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974 (SOLAS),
on the global maritime distress and safety system (GMDSS Conference, 1988)
adopted regulation IV/7.1.6 of the 1988 SOLAS amendments, applicable not
later than 1 August 1993, requiring the carriage of a float-free satellite
EPIRB on every ship as part of the global maritime distress and safety system,
https://wwwcdn.imo.org/localresourc...MOResolutions/AssemblyDocuments/A.696(17).pdf
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RECOMMENDS Governments: (a) to ensure, as part of national type approval procedures, that any new type of 406 MHz satellite EPIRB to be deployed on board ships' h tested to confirm that it is in accordance with the IMO performance standards for 406 MHz EPIRBs (resolution A.695(17));

The resolution clearly states that the EPIRB must be of the automatic float-free type.
 
Vixen said:
This is resolution 695 A 17 as referred to in the IMO above


[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53178959003_a63d6c8b78_z.jpg[/qimg]


Source: CHAPTER III Reg 6 Section 2.3

NOTING that the Conference of Contracting Governments to the
International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974 (SOLAS),
on the global maritime distress and safety system (GMDSS Conference, 1988)
adopted regulation IV/7.1.6 of the 1988 SOLAS amendments, applicable not
later than 1 August 1993, requiring the carriage of a float-free satellite
EPIRB on every ship as part of the global maritime distress and safety system,
https://wwwcdn.imo.org/localresourc...MOResolutions/AssemblyDocuments/A.696(17).pdf
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RECOMMENDS Governments: (a) to ensure, as part of national type approval procedures, that any new type of 406 MHz satellite EPIRB to be deployed on board ships' h tested to confirm that it is in accordance with the IMO performance standards for 406 MHz EPIRBs (resolution A.695(17));

The resolution clearly states that the EPIRB must be of the automatic float-free type.
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When was it implemented?
 
The thing is, if everyone's talking about the technical specifications of EPIRBs, then no one is talking about the depraved disregard of obvious cumulative risk factors on the part of Estonia's management and command officers that carelessly doomed unsuspecting passengers to horrible deaths amidst dark and cold and panic. Let's not forget how it really happened:

Myriad said:
"Here's a ferry. Its design is considered by international experts to only be safe in coastal waters."

"Actually, we're going to sail it across the Baltic Sea."

"Okay, but only when the weather conditions are calm, right?"

"Actually, we're going to make the crossing in stormy weather."

"Okay, but you'll at least make sure the ship is in the best possible condition and in the ideal configuration to react to unforeseen problems during the crossing, right?"

"Actually, we're going to set off with leaky seals and an unbalanced trim condition that makes further trim adjustments impossible."

"Hmm, you might get away with that if you're lucky, but you'll at least slow down or change your route to minimize the risk from wave impacts, right?"

"Actually, we have a schedule to keep so we're going to steam in a direct line at full speed."

"That's really asking for trouble. I think I'll stay on shore and wait for another ferry. But just for my peace of mind, at least tell me your officers and crew are going to be extra vigilant for any sign of equipment failure or danger to the passengers."

"Actually, we're all going to slack off and disregard every warning sign until it's too late."
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Vixen said:
This is resolution 695 A 17 as referred to in the IMO above


[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53178959003_a63d6c8b78_z.jpg[/qimg]


Source: CHAPTER III Reg 6 Section 2.3

NOTING that the Conference of Contracting Governments to the
International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974 (SOLAS),
on the global maritime distress and safety system (GMDSS Conference, 1988)
adopted regulation IV/7.1.6 of the 1988 SOLAS amendments, applicable not
later than 1 August 1993, requiring the carriage of a float-free satellite EPIRB on every ship as part of the global maritime distress and safety system,
https://wwwcdn.imo.org/localresourc...MOResolutions/AssemblyDocuments/A.696(17).pdf
<snip>
RECOMMENDS Governments: (a) to ensure, as part of national type approval procedures, that any new type of 406 MHz satellite EPIRB to be deployed on board ships' h tested to confirm that it is in accordance with the IMO performance standards for 406 MHz EPIRBs (resolution A.695(17));

The resolution clearly states that the EPIRB must be of the automatic float-free type.
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No, it doesn't. The passage says nothing about automatic activation's being required. Why are you pretending it does?
 
Mojo said:
When was it implemented?
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GMDSS Conference, 1988)
adopted regulation IV/7.1.6 of the 1988 SOLAS amendments, applicable not
later than 1 August 1993, requiring the carriage of a float-free satellite
EPIRB on every ship as part of the global maritime distress and safety system,


As a direct result of the Herald of Free Enterprise Inquiry in July 1987.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...estigation_HeraldofFreeEnterprise-MSA1894.pdf

It was adopted into SOLAS 1991 and become mandatory (for passenger type ships and similar) as of August 1993.

The Swedish and Finnish ferries had these as a matter of course before they became mandatory. Hammar is a Swedish company.
 
Myriad said:
The thing is, if everyone's talking about the technical specifications of EPIRBs, then no one is talking about the depraved disregard of obvious cumulative risk factors on the part of Estonia's management and command officers that carelessly doomed unsuspecting passengers to horrible deaths amidst dark and cold and panic. Let's not forget how it really happened:
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Whilst the condition of the bow ramp and design of the bow visor, together with the bottom (Atlantic) lock was in appalling shape, realistically, it should not have sunk in half an hour or so and the radio SOS should not have taken so long to find Estonia's location (the wreck completely vanished from view).

This makes it highly unusual with the highly trained naval rescue team at Stockholm and elsewhere on readiness alert of 15 minutes. Yet it didn't get the Mayday for almost an hour. By the time the Finnish Coast Guard located the wreck (not from the EPIRB which should have triggered) most of the passengers were already drowned.

As nobody has ever been charged with the slightest gross negligence or corporate manslaughter, I am guessing the Swedes are 'not looking for anyone else' because nine Estonians including senior crew were listed as survivors early on only for their names to disappear. I suspect they were 'disappeared' by the military, being a military operation, lined up against a wall and shot. (Well, it was the mass killing, technically, of almost a thousand innocent civilians, half of them Swedish nationals.)

That is my tuppenceworth.
 
Vixen said:
Whilst the condition of the bow ramp and design of the bow visor, together with the bottom (Atlantic) lock was in appalling shape, realistically, it should not have sunk in half an hour or so and the radio SOS should not have taken so long to find Estonia's location (the wreck completely vanished from view).
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Of course it shouldn't have sunk. It shouldn't have been at sea in those conditions. It shouldn't have been at sea at all. It certainly shouldn't have been carrying any passengers. There was no way for the unfortunate passengers to know this, but it should have been obvious to the command officers.

As nobody has ever been charged with the slightest gross negligence or corporate manslaughter, I am guessing the Swedes are 'not looking for anyone else' because nine Estonians including senior crew were listed as survivors early on only for their names to disappear. I suspect they were 'disappeared' by the military, being a military operation, lined up against a wall and shot. (Well, it was the mass killing, technically, of almost a thousand innocent civilians, half of them Swedish nationals.)
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While I'd love to speculate that the senior crew deliberately went down with the ship after realizing how many people were dead and dying due to their depraved recklessness, their clueless prior behavior makes it more likely their last thoughts as they drowned were, "WTF, how did all this cold wet stuff get into our break room?"
 
Vixen said:
We had this conversation before. Tuned was a direct translation from the Finnish.
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We did have this conversation before and neither of us were able to work out what "tuned" was supposed to mean in this context. One thing which was absolutely certain is that tuning the radio transmitter was most certainly not a user action so it could not mean that.

And you still cannot show us a model of immersion-activated buoy with an off switch. It's perfectly clear the Estonia's buoys were manually activated types and your frantic search for a form of words which make you not wrong about that rolls on fruitlessly.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
We did have this conversation before and neither of us were able to work out what "tuned" was supposed to mean in this context. One thing which was absolutely certain is that tuning the radio transmitter was most certainly not a user action so it could not mean that.

And you still cannot show us a model of immersion-activated buoy with an off switch. It's perfectly clear the Estonia's buoys were manually activated types and your frantic search for a form of words which make you not wrong about that rolls on fruitlessly.
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verb
virittää
tune, tune up, set, pitch, prime, cock

Maybe in the early days they had to pitch it to 406Mhz...? I don't know. Remember how cordless phones evolved into mobile phones and then smart phones? It was probably something like that. These days there is gps and auto-connection.

As for the EPIRB's on Estonia, it is a matter of fact they were automatic free-float HRU triggered that was supposed to activate when submerged in water and then floated to the top to emit signals to the satellite.
 
Myriad said:
Of course it shouldn't have sunk. It shouldn't have been at sea in those conditions. It shouldn't have been at sea at all. It certainly shouldn't have been carrying any passengers. There was no way for the unfortunate passengers to know this, but it should have been obvious to the command officers.




While I'd love to speculate that the senior crew deliberately went down with the ship after realizing how many people were dead and dying due to their depraved recklessness, their clueless prior behavior makes it more likely their last thoughts as they drowned were, "WTF, how did all this cold wet stuff get into our break room?"
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I love that romantic picture but unfortunately, I can't help suspecting the crew were far away on their boat before the accident, with Piht arriving later having just come off duty. Sorry, I honestly can't see fit healthy 40-somethings not being first off the ship from their vantage point. Sorry if that sounds cynical but the facts that I can see all point to sabotage.
 
Vixen said:
I love that romantic picture but unfortunately, I can't help suspecting the crew were far away on their boat before the accident, with Piht arriving later having just come off duty. Sorry, I honestly can't see fit healthy 40-somethings not being first off the ship from their vantage point. Sorry if that sounds cynical but the facts that I can see all point to sabotage.
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Well, apart from the fact that there's no evidence for them still being alive.
 
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