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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Bogative said:
Yes, you are missing the point.

I'll try to help you out, again, by adding context.

I'll provide quotes of the relevant part of the conversation and then explain.
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NBCnews.com, a mainstream news outlet, in the top 20 according to statista.com, pumped up a white supremacist shooting with 4 articles and ignored 8 other mass shootings that occurred over the same weekend.
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Sorry I did misunderstand your point, I read it as if you were saying there were no media reports, not no reports in one outlet.

Where did gunsviolence get their information from regarding those 7 mass shootings? I see they provide sources for their statistics but there are so many in the USA I am unsure which particular 7 you are talking about to have a look at their sources.
 
Darat said:
Sorry I did misunderstand your point, I read it as if you were saying there were no media reports, not no reports in one outlet.

Where did gunsviolence get their information from regarding those 7 mass shootings? I see they provide sources for their statistics but there are so many in the USA I am unsure which particular 7 you are talking about to have a look at their sources.
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No problem, these things happen.

If you go to gunviolenceacrhive.org and click on the "Mass shootings" link, in the far right-hand column you will see "View incident." Click that link in each individual shooting and it will take you to a list of the media outlets they source their data from.

The other 8 shootings I mentioned earlier happened on August 26 and 27th.



ETA: the mass shooting in Louisville, Kentucky I mentioned where there were 2 killed and 4 wounded, there are 3 separate new sources. All 3 are local, not mainstream.
 
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Bogative said:
No problem, these things happen.

If you go to gunviolenceacrhive.org and click on the "Mass shootings" link, in the far right-hand column you will see "View incident." Click that link in each individual shooting and it will take you to a list of the media outlets they source their data from.

The other 8 shootings I mentioned earlier happened on August 26 and 27th.



ETA: the mass shooting in Louisville, Kentucky I mentioned where there were 2 killed and 4 wounded, there are 3 separate new sources. All 3 are local, not mainstream.
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You can't decide that a mass shooting event is not getting Nationwide coverage just due to that one website.
 
Darat said:
I am familiar with the reporting of such crimes.



That doesn't answer "whose narrative?"

Plus what is this "new generalised definition"?
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After Columbine and Virginia Tech, the news media would only identify and cover mass shootings, when multiple people were shot and there was a clear ideological agenda, the victims were random, the target was often a public place like a theater or a market or a school, the culprit was heavily armed and using body armor and very often showed signs of mental illness. Shootings of three or more people that was related to crime or in high crime areas was literally not reported as a mass shooting.

That had changed over the last several years, and that's why we now hear about mass shootings taking place every day, rather than once every 4 months or so.

We literally expanded our view of what was a mass shooting without expanding the number of victims. Personally I believe this was done so as to make the problem seem much worse, in the hopes that it would galvanize the public to force politicians to make changes.
 
Hercules56 said:
After Columbine and Virginia Tech, the news media would only identify and cover mass shootings, when multiple people were shot and there was a clear ideological agenda, the victims were random, the target was often a public place like a theater or a market or a school, the culprit was heavily armed and using body armor and very often showed signs of mental illness. Shootings of three or more people that was related to crime or in high crime areas was literally not reported as a mass shooting.

That had changed over the last several years, and that's why we now hear about mass shootings taking place every day, rather than once every 4 months or so.

We literally expanded our view of what was a mass shooting without expanding the number of victims. Personally I believe this was done so as to make the problem seem much worse, in the hopes that it would galvanize the public to force politicians to make changes.
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All very nice. Now about the question I asked you?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Including all of them not just the ones he's interested in.
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The new broader definition is "ANY shooting where 3+ persons has been shot".

The old definition through the 90s and 2000s also required the victims be random, mental illness or bigotry or terrorism being involved, the attack being planned.
 
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Hercules56 said:
The new broader definition is "ANY shooting where 3+ persons has been shot".
The old definition through the 90s and 2000s also required the victims be random, mental illness or bigotry or terrorism being involved, the attack being planned.
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Dictated by who?
 
Darat said:
Dictated by who?
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Well for one thing, up until a few years ago NOBODY even suggested that we had a mass shooting every day. Clearly the media and others were simply ignoring the events in poor urban areas where 3+ people were shot in one event.

Then, all of the sudden, those events started being counted. Why do YOU think that is?

Do you REALLY believe that all of a sudden hundreds of mass shootings started taking place in poor urban areas??
 
Hercules56 said:
Well for one thing, up until a few years ago NOBODY even suggested that we had a mass shooting every day. Clearly the media and others were simply ignoring the events in poor urban areas where 3+ people were shot in one event.

Then, all of the sudden, those events started being counted. Why do YOU think that is?

Do you REALLY believe that all of a sudden hundreds of mass shootings started taking place in poor urban areas??
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Any chance you'll answer the question I asked you?
 
If we go by the following info, there is NOT a mass shooting in the USA every day. Only several a month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

This info also suggests that during the 90s and early 2000s, there were only several mass shootings a year. Some years only say seven

Notice how as we go back in time, shooting events where 3+ people are shot in poor urban areas are not even mentioned.

Coincidence? Not likely.

Someone figured out that if we include all the crime and gang related events, where targets are usually not random, the event is not planned and mental illness or ideological agenda is not at play, the number of mass shootings goes up dramatically, which is great for a certain political agenda and narrative.

Only problem is....it makes the problem look like its mostly non-white, urban and crime related.
 
It's pretty damn clear based on the data from various websites, that nobody can agree what counts as a mass shooting, or how many mass shootings there are in the USA every year.

There is only a mass shooting in the USA every day if we include shootings by non-whites in poor urban areas where crime is related, not mental illness or political ideology or bigotry.
 
Hercules56 said:
Well for one thing, up until a few years ago NOBODY even suggested that we had a mass shooting every day. Clearly the media and others were simply ignoring the events in poor urban areas where 3+ people were shot in one event.

Then, all of the sudden, those events started being counted. Why do YOU think that is?

Do you REALLY believe that all of a sudden hundreds of mass shootings started taking place in poor urban areas??
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No America has always had a problem with its citizens massacring each other with guns every day.
 
Hercules56 said:
If we go by the following info, there is NOT a mass shooting in the USA every day. Only several a month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

This info also suggests that during the 90s and early 2000s, there were only several mass shootings a year. Some years only say seven

Notice how as we go back in time, shooting events where 3+ people are shot in poor urban areas are not even mentioned.

Coincidence? Not likely.

Someone figured out that if we include all the crime and gang related events, where targets are usually not random, the event is not planned and mental illness or ideological agenda is not at play, the number of mass shootings goes up dramatically, which is great for a certain political agenda and narrative.

Only problem is....it makes the problem look like its mostly non-white, urban and crime related.
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So we ignore the mass shootings you find inconvenient for your narrative?
 
Hercules56 said:
It's pretty damn clear based on the data from various websites, that nobody can agree what counts as a mass shooting, or how many mass shootings there are in the USA every year.

There is only a mass shooting in the USA every day if we include shootings by non-whites in poor urban areas where crime is related, not mental illness or political ideology or bigotry.
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Most take the FBI definition.
 
Hercules56 said:
It's pretty damn clear based on the data from various websites, that nobody can agree what counts as a mass shooting, or how many mass shootings there are in the USA every year.

There is only a mass shooting in the USA every day if we include shootings by non-whites in poor urban areas where crime is related, not mental illness or political ideology or bigotry.
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But does it really matter? It is still out of control gun violence with thousand of Americans every year killed by guns. While there are different causes needing different solutions between what you want to define as mass shootings and those in high crime areas, the gun is the common factor.
 
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