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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Darat said:
And he said "They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources.
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So if there are no articles covering the 7 how did he know about them?
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Dirtywick said, "only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites."

I replied, "No, I find the information at guniolencearchives.org. They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources. I opened up NBCnews.com just now…"


NBCnews.com is considered a major mainstream news website, local news sources are not.
 
Sadly, I think Bogative is right.

Poor criminal blacks killing other blacks in the ghetto doesn't really fit the current narrative of mentally ill or racist white guys with body armor and an assault weapon shooting up a random location. So these events get a lot less attention even though they technically fit the modern definition of "mass-shooting". (3+ persons shot in a single event).
 
Hercules56 said:
Sadly, I think Bogative is right.

Poor criminal blacks killing other blacks in the ghetto doesn't really fit the current narrative of mentally ill or racist white guys with body armor and an assault weapon shooting up a random location. So these events get a lot less attention even though they technically fit the modern definition of "mass-shooting". (3+ persons shot in a single event).
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ok well i don't even really agree that he's right because that's not his point

but even so, if that is true, do you think that if the media weren't driving this narrative, that crazy white supremacist in body armor killing grade schoolers would be more like page 3 news and of little public interest, and that blacks in the ghetto would be on the front page because that's what the real news is? that these black shootings are being suppressed by the media, and the crazy white guy ones are being pumped.

because i don't buy that at all, and i don't think any else really does either.
 
dirtywick said:
ok well i don't even really agree that he's right because that's not his point

but even so, if that is true, do you think that if the media weren't driving this narrative, that crazy white supremacist in body armor killing grade schoolers would be more like page 3 news and of little public interest, and that blacks in the ghetto would be on the front page because that's what the real news is? that these black shootings are being suppressed by the media, and the crazy white guy ones are being pumped.

because i don't buy that at all, and i don't think any else really does either.
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Yes. I think black people killing other black people in the ghetto is viewed as daily SOP, therefore not very exciting.
 
dirtywick said:
ok well i don't even really agree that he's right because that's not his point

but even so, if that is true, do you think that if the media weren't driving this narrative, that crazy white supremacist in body armor killing grade schoolers would be more like page 3 news and of little public interest, and that blacks in the ghetto would be on the front page because that's what the real news is? that these black shootings are being suppressed by the media, and the crazy white guy ones are being pumped.

because i don't buy that at all, and i don't think any else really does either.
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It's not really that hard to show that most of the so called MSM is interested in pushing certain narratives about racial relations in the US.
 
Thermal said:
Dude that was out loud
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i don't find it particularly shocking, or even controversial, to say people don't need a media narrative to not care what's happening in black neighborhoods. it's a media response not to cover it, not a narrative.
 
It’s not that hard to figure why manifesto mass shooters who target schools, churches, and other public venues generally considering safe get more media attention than drive-by shootings in high crime areas.

However, the stupid and disingenuous have a vested interested in making everything seem conspiratorial because reality conflicts with their worldview.
 
Bogative said:
Dirtywick said, "only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites."

I replied, "No, I find the information at guniolencearchives.org. They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources. I opened up NBCnews.com just now…"


NBCnews.com is considered a major mainstream news website, local news sources are not.
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Missing the point you said: "0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend."

You are now apparently saying there were articles? Which of your statement is the truth?
 
Hercules56 said:
Sadly, I think Bogative is right.

Poor criminal blacks killing other blacks in the ghetto doesn't really fit the current narrative of mentally ill or racist white guys with body armor and an assault weapon shooting up a random location. So these events get a lot less attention even though they technically fit the modern definition of "mass-shooting". (3+ persons shot in a single event).
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Perhaps you need to change your narrative?

The "narrative" I see most said here is that the USA has a terrible problem with gun violence and that needs to be addressed.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes. I think black people killing other black people in the ghetto is viewed as daily SOP, therefore not very exciting.
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Or as the non-racists amongst us put it: I think people killing other people with guns in the USA is viewed as daily SOP, therefore not very exciting.
 
Darat said:
Perhaps you need to change your narrative?

The "narrative" I see most said here is that the USA has a terrible problem with gun violence and that needs to be addressed.
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You're clearly not very familiar with the current narrative in the USA regarding mass-shootings and assault weapons.
 
Hercules56 said:
You're clearly not very familiar with the current narrative in the USA regarding mass-shootings and assault weapons.
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Whose "narrative"?

What I am familiar with is the facts, such as "[the] USA has a terrible problem with gun violence and that needs to be addressed." and "... people killing other people with guns in the USA is viewed as daily SOP, therefore not very exciting."

And if you wish to reduce gun violence by targeting an identifiable specific demographic group and restrict their access to guns whilst allowing everyone else to own what they wish then you would support gun access being strictly controlled for all men.
 
Darat said:
Whose "narrative"?

What I am familiar with is the facts, such as "[the] USA has a terrible problem with gun violence and that needs to be addressed." and "... people killing other people with guns in the USA is viewed as daily SOP, therefore not very exciting."

And if you wish to reduce gun violence by targeting an identifiable specific demographic group and restrict their access to guns whilst allowing everyone else to own what they wish then you would support gun access being strictly controlled for all men.
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Ok, I guess I was right, you're across the pond and therefore you're not very familiar with the current narrative in the USA regarding mass-shootings and assault weapons.

MOST mass-shootings in the USA, based on the new generalized definition, barely get any media and political attention in the USA. While other events that follow specific demographics, weapon types and motives get TONS of attention. Anyone with open eyes can see this. The only question is why this is happening, not if its happening.
 
Darat said:
Missing the point you said: "0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend."

You are now apparently saying there were articles? Which of your statement is the truth?
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Yes, you are missing the point.

I'll try to help you out, again, by adding context.

I'll provide quotes of the relevant part of the conversation and then explain.

Lukraak_Sisser said:
I do partially agree with Bogative that is it shocking how little the mass shootings due to gangs/crime are reported. If there was this much gun violence in a week in any other western country or even Europe in it's totality it would be headline news for months and politicians would be falling over themselves to address the issue.
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dirtywick said:
only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites.
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So Lukraak agrees with my point that there is just not that much coverage of certain types of shootings – gangs/crime.

Dirtywick responds that I am "easily" finding articles in "mainstream news websites."

I reply to dirtywick:
Bogative said:
No, I find the information at guniolencearchives.org. They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources.
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Just to clarify, dirtywick claims I easily find my articles in mainstream news websites. I say, no, that I find the articles at gva.org and they post articles from mainly local news sources.

To prove the point that Lukraak and I are making about how little coverage certain types of shootings receive in mainstream outlets, I do this:

I opened up NBCnews.com just now and there were 4 separate stories at the top of the page covering the Jacksonville shooting.

I then scrolled through the entire website and found 0 articles covering a mass shooting in Louisville, Kentucky the day after the Jacksonville shooting. 2 people were killed and 4 people were wounded in that shooting.

0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.
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NBCnews.com, a mainstream news outlet, in the top 20 according to statista.com, had 4 articles covering the the white supremacist shooting in Jacksonville at the top of their page.

NBC news.com, a mainstream news outlet, in the top 20 according to statista.com, had 0 articles covering the mass shooting in Louisville where 2 people were killed and 4 people were injured, and 0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.

That is me providing one example of how dirtywicks' claim that I am "easily finding these daily shooting articles on mainstream news websites" wrong.

NBCnews.com, a mainstream news outlet, in the top 20 according to statista.com, pumped up a white supremacist shooting with 4 articles and ignored 8 other mass shootings that occurred over the same weekend.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Ok, I guess I was right, you're across the pond and therefore you're not very familiar with the current narrative in the USA regarding mass-shootings and assault weapons.
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I am familiar with the reporting of such crimes.

Hercules56 said:
MOST mass-shootings in the USA, based on the new generalized definition, barely get any media and political attention in the USA. While other events that follow specific demographics, weapon types and motives get TONS of attention. Anyone with open eyes can see this. The only question is why this is happening, not if its happening.
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That doesn't answer "whose narrative?"

Plus what is this "new generalised definition"?
 
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