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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

TurkeysGhost said:
People can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's not a zero sum situation, you can care about trying to reduce easy access to pistols that are used for the vast majority of gun crime and also want to make it harder for would-be terror shooters to get their hands on rifles.

I don't see how the issues are in conflict, in fact they strike me as synergistic.
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Enforcing the laws we already have would be a great start.
 
Bogative said:
White supremacist manifesto released within 24 hours.
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Has it? Sounds like you're just repeating conspiracy crap to me.

Conspiracy Theorists Falsely Claim Jacksonville Shooter’s Manifesto Was Released

Conspiracy theorists on Twitter spent the weekend insisting the racist shooter in Jacksonville, Florida who killed three people on Saturday was part of a “psyop” somehow organized by the U.S. government. As evidence for the theory, many far-right accounts said the shooter’s manifesto was immediately released, while other left-wing shooters have had their manifestos withheld. The only problem? That’s simply not true.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/08/28/conspiracy-theorists-falsely-claim-jacksonville-shooters-manifesto-was-released/?sh=346471991d6a
 
Bogative said:
Oh no, it received a significant amount of coverage. It's just that certain inconvenient facts are being largely ignored, relatively speaking.

Speaking of inconvenient facts that are being ignored, whatever happened to the manifesto written by the "trans" dude who walked into a Christian private school and murdered 6 people, including 3 children? That was 5 months ago and it still has not been released.

White supremacist manifesto released within 24 hours.

Tranny manifesto still not released after 5 months.

Nothing to see here.
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I see no articles showing that a manifesto was released.

What's your source for this claim?
 
Hercules56 said:
Which laws are not being sufficiently enforced?
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It's a comment on lax enforcement of law and prosecution of crime. Shoplifting, traffic violations, assaults, etc. Most crime is commented by a small group of repeat offenders. Get them off the street, and the rest of us will be better off.
 
Trausti said:
It's a comment on lax enforcement of law and prosecution of crime. Shoplifting, traffic violations, assaults, etc. Most crime is commented by a small group of repeat offenders. Get them off the street, and the rest of us will be better off.
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I call B.S. The USA has the highest incarceration rate of the G20 and the OECD, yet the murder rate is the worst among the G20 and very high for the OECD. The right wing's beloved "tough on crime" stance is not supported by the facts.
 
Blue Mountain said:
I call B.S. The USA has the highest incarceration rate of the G20 and the OECD, yet the murder rate is the worst among the G20 and very high for the OECD. The right wing's beloved "tough on crime" stance is not supported by the facts.
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This is true of most (if not all) of the Right Wing's 'beloved stances'. Facts and the Right are rarely found in each other's company. When they are it is usually an accident.
 
I do partially agree with Bogative that is it shocking how little the mass shootings due to gangs/crime are reported. If there was this much gun violence in a week in any other western country or even Europe in it's totality it would be headline news for months and politicians would be falling over themselves to address the issue.

I disagree with the suggestions that this is due to some hidden left wing bias trying to focus only on white mass shooters.
After all, if that were the case Fox news and similar news outlets would be screaming about it every day. And they are not.

IMO the two main components are firstly the deeply classicist and racist attitudes in the US. Black people are worth less than white and poor people are losers or they'd be rich. So what happens to poor black people just isn't important to the US.
And secondly the undemocratic voting system has ensured that the political influence of millions of poor black people are worth less than a few thousand farmers living miles apart from each other, so why would a politician care about those?
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I do partially agree with Bogative that is it shocking how little the mass shootings due to gangs/crime are reported. If there was this much gun violence in a week in any other western country or even Europe in it's totality it would be headline news for months and politicians would be falling over themselves to address the issue.

I disagree with the suggestions that this is due to some hidden left wing bias trying to focus only on white mass shooters.
After all, if that were the case Fox news and similar news outlets would be screaming about it every day. And they are not.

IMO the two main components are firstly the deeply classicist and racist attitudes in the US. Black people are worth less than white and poor people are losers or they'd be rich. So what happens to poor black people just isn't important to the US.And secondly the undemocratic voting system has ensured that the political influence of millions of poor black people are worth less than a few thousand farmers living miles apart from each other, so why would a politician care about those?
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Whenever research is done into gun violence in the USA we see the correlation with poverty, for example: https://www.cepr.net/poverty-correlates-with-the-recent-increase-in-gun-violence/ . If you have segments of your population who are more likely to live in poverty, then you will see "disproportionate" gun crime in that group. Indeed this correlation occurs across nearly all crime types and in all countries, it is not unique to the USA, the unique part in the USA is the easy availability of guns along with the culture that - for want of a better word - celebrates the use of gun violence.

(I've used the word correlation since the reasons behind these statistics are multi-factorial and complex.)
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I do partially agree with Bogative that is it shocking how little the mass shootings due to gangs/crime are reported. If there was this much gun violence in a week in any other western country or even Europe in it's totality it would be headline news for months and politicians would be falling over themselves to address the issue.

I disagree with the suggestions that this is due to some hidden left wing bias trying to focus only on white mass shooters.
After all, if that were the case Fox news and similar news outlets would be screaming about it every day. And they are not.

IMO the two main components are firstly the deeply classicist and racist attitudes in the US. Black people are worth less than white and poor people are losers or they'd be rich. So what happens to poor black people just isn't important to the US.
And secondly the undemocratic voting system has ensured that the political influence of millions of poor black people are worth less than a few thousand farmers living miles apart from each other, so why would a politician care about those?
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only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites.
 
dirtywick said:
only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites.
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I think the point is more how they are treated in the media, most of the gun violence in the USA is treated as "dog bites postie", it's become part of the landscape.
 
Darat said:
I think the point is more how they are treated in the media, most of the gun violence in the USA is treated as "dog bites postie", it's become part of the landscape.
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news media is driven by audience engagement. personally i think it's pretty obvious why white supremacist lunatics shooting a bunch of school kids generates the most interest.
 
dirtywick said:
news media is driven by audience engagement. personally i think it's pretty obvious why white supremacist lunatics shooting a bunch of school kids generates the most interest.
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Within the USA, yes it is obvious why.
 
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Hercules56 said:
I see no articles showing that a manifesto was released.

What's your source for this claim?
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I was wrong, the manifesto has not been released. Local law enforcement has read it and told us exactly what the shooter's motivation was, even quoting what the shooter had written.
 
dirtywick said:
only problem is he's easily finding these daily shooting articles on major mainstream news websites.
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No, I find the information at guniolencearchives.org. They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources.

I opened up NBCnews.com just now and there were 4 separate stories at the top of the page covering the Jacksonville shooting.

I then scrolled through the entire website and found 0 articles covering a mass shooting in Louisville, Kentucky the day after the Jacksonville shooting. 2 people were killed and 4 people were wounded in that shooting.

0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.
 
Bogative said:
No, I find the information at guniolencearchives.org. They compile shooting information from mainly local new sources.

I opened up NBCnews.com just now and there were 4 separate stories at the top of the page covering the Jacksonville shooting.

I then scrolled through the entire website and found 0 articles covering a mass shooting in Louisville, Kentucky the day after the Jacksonville shooting. 2 people were killed and 4 people were wounded in that shooting.

0 articles covering the other 7 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.
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If there are no articles about them, how do you know about them? :confused:
 
Unfortunately its true. When there is a gang or crime related mass-shooting the media and politicians seem to care little. When its terrorist or ideology driven, thats when people pay attention.
 
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