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Total Hypothetical. What if Trump died in the next few months.

Stacyhs said:
Jimmy Carter deserves a state funeral far more than Trump ever could. Carter is a decent, honest, compassionate, and kind man. A loving and loyal husband and father. A man who gave of himself to others. He is everything that the Mango Mussolini is not and never can be.
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See, those of us who lived through his Presidency weren't impressed. As former President Carter, however, I can think of few finer examples of what it ought to mean to be a human being, a Christian, and and American.
 
bruto said:
Agreed. Let's not get all whatabout-if and pretend that we're calling for violence and lawlessness when we're not. I wouldn't mourn him if he died, and if I were in the vicinity I might join the waiting line to piss on his grave, but to dislike him is exactly not to be like him. Reprisal and rebellion and revenge are his specialty, not mine, and unlike Trump and his minions I won't vitiate that with mealy-mouthed equivocations to make it clear that I mean just the opposite. I would not support, praise, or even secretly thank an assassin.

I hope in a real sense that Trump is convicted of his crimes, not because I also greatly disagree with his opinions, but because he is a criminal, and that he does not get away with it again, and that his followers are treated to the sight of their leader impotently whining and spending a long time in disgrace, late as it is in arriving.

Trump and those of his ilk could make an enormous difference in the political climate, and in the rise of partisan violence and murder, if they could say, without the winks and nudges and but-filled dilutions, that such things are wrong and counter to their principles. When called to do so they won't. They can't even bring themselves to lie, for fear it would taken as truth, and divert their followers from the stochastic violence they seek.

So no, wishing an enemy dead and gone is not to wish him murdered, though like Timon of Athens I would he were clean enough to spit upon.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I will spit on his grave and dance for joy when the SOB is dead and gone, but I do not want him assassinated which will only martyr him to his cult. Nor do I want him dead BEFORE he's convicted for his many horrendous crimes to this country. Then the SOB can die of a massive stroke or heart attack or cancer and I will sing 'Hallelujah"!
 
JayUtah said:
See, those of us who lived through his Presidency weren't impressed. As former President Carter, however, I can think of few finer examples of what it ought to mean to be a human being, a Christian, and and American.
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I agree.
 
JayUtah said:
The rest of the passages in the Constitution that deal with the death or incapacitation of the President strongly suggest that the President must not only be living, but must also meet certain other qualities of ongoing live-human function in order to be considered the President in effect.

For example, as soon as the vote of the Electoral College is certified by Congress on Jan. 6, the winning candidate becomes President-Elect, which has status under the Constitution. The Constitution provides, for example, that when a President-Elect dies before taking office, certain steps then ensue. Ordinarily the President-Elect becomes President automatically at noon on Jan. 20, and the provisions governing the death of the President-Elect all but guarantee that the President-Elect must be alive and reasonably functional at that moment in order for the conference of office to have effect; the dead candidate would have been replaced by then under those provisions. The death of the President-Elect extinguishes his claim on the Presidency and indirectly establishes ongoing life as a requirement for the office.

In any case, the Constitution provides that the President's first official act upon becoming President must be to take the Oath of Office and that no other duties may be performed prior. If the President cannot take the oath because of a notable lack of breathing, then the Vice-President automatically becomes President and assumes the office, takes the oath, and proceeds from there.
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It is not only strongly suggested, it is explicitly stated in Section 3 of the 20th amendment: "If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President."
 
Darat said:
But if he died before being elected that clause wouldn't come into play as it talks about a President's death. I think you will find that the constitution is quiet in this regard therefore we must assume that the founding fathers - praised be their names - did not want to exclude a corpse for running for President. And I think most rational folk would agree Trump's corpse being President would be far more competent than a living Trump being President.
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I guess I'm not sure what "stand" for President means. I think that is a British term. I was thinking it meant serve, but now I think it means run for President. A dead person can run for President, appear on a ballot, and even be elected. That would probably only happen if the candidate died at certain times right before the election or after or right before the counting of votes or maybe the meeting of electors. But under the Constitution a dead person cannot serve as President.

The founding fathers did not address a dead person running for President. That was addressed in the 20th Amendment passed in 1933.
 
Craig4 said:
He doesn't have a successor. He's gone out of his may to make sure there are no alternatives for him.
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For the purposes of this thread, whoever would get the nomination/was running for President would be his successor - my fault for not being clearer about this :o.

If President Trump dies before the election then a tide of public sympathy could very well sweep the Republican candidate to victory regardless of their own personal appeal (or lack thereof) or GOP policies (or lack thereof). :mad:
 
If trump dies after a conviction, a tried and convicted traitor (Documents case or Georgia case). Does he still get a 'state' funeral?
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
It is not only strongly suggested, it is explicitly stated in Section 3 of the 20th amendment: "If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President."
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Interestingly, though the wording is a bit different in the case of disqualification. If the President elect dies between election and inauguration, the Vice President becomes president. If the president elect fails to qualify, or for some reason is not chosen by that date, the VP will act as President until a President qualifies, which if I read it correctly means the Congress takes over the task of determining who who will be President and that it need not be the VP.
 
bruto said:
Interestingly, though the wording is a bit different in the case of disqualification. If the President elect dies between election and inauguration, the Vice President becomes president. If the president elect fails to qualify, or for some reason is not chosen by that date, the VP will act as President until a President qualifies, which if I read it correctly means the Congress takes over the task of determining who who will be President and that it need not be the VP.
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That might have been a better "insurrection" method than the one concocted by Team Trump. All they would need to do was kill Trump at exactly the right time. Win-win! ;)
 
I wonder if he will be interred at Maga-Largo. Perhaps next to Ivana? Or better yet, under glass at the omelette bar.
 
The Don said:
IMO if he dies after being nominated then his successor will be swept to power on a wave of sympathy.:mad:
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Or not. None of these guys pick VPs that are really presidential material. They pick people they think will drag a few more votes in.
 
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