Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[acbytesla]

Unless all of you are riding the conspiracy train, whomever left the baggie of Cocaine in the White House was obviously a user of said product with contacts for obtaining it. I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner, just the logical conclusion that whomever possessed it did so for a reason. Use of said powder would be the most common reason to have it. If you think otherwise, that's a different twist and thread section.

ROFLMAO!

That is a logical fallacy. While it is probably true the source is someone who uses drugs. It certainly isn't a verified fact. And it certainly isn't a verified fact that the source must be a member of the Biden White House as you stated.

Would you consider a cook working in the Navy Mess Hall a member of the Biden White House? How about a Navy captain stationed in the White House? Or the construction worker or the visitor on a tour?

You're just jumping to a conclusion so you can bash Biden. Now that's a verified fact.

 

[Suddenly]

Well, I though he had thought he had done it (and likely also wanted it), until the Supreme Court clobbered it.

This decision is where the Democrats should finally realize that without neutering the court they are powerless to do anything substantial about anything.

The Supreme Court went so far out into orbit to find standing in this case that we can just dispense with the idea of the court being anything but political operatives. The state of Missouri's connection with this is indirect at best, and MOHELA, which is the actual involved party, has done nothing. Not even an amicus.

That's before we get to the opinion itself, which JFC is about as blatant as it gets. Congress passes a law saying that the Secretary of Education can "waive or modify" student loan terms in connection to a national emergency. Covid, for instance. So the Secretary decides to modify loans by, well, waiving up to 20K of student loan balances.

Which leads Roberts to write one of the dumbest sentences in Supreme Court history:

The Secretary’s plan has “modified” the cited provisions only in the same sense that “the French Revolution ‘modified’ the status of the French nobility” —it has abolished
them and supplanted them with a new regime entirely

You see, forgiving 20K is just too large to be a modification. It's like executing the entire nobility because that led to the forming of a whole new government just like this completely abolished the loan program by... lowering some balances.

However, this is all textualism and not just naked political policy making. Roberts is very intelligent.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Actually a Sanders is the perfect candidate to run against a T****, because he cuts that type of candidate's whole schtick out from underneath them. Grievance politics doesn't work when your opponent is offering actual solutions to those grievances.

If Sanders is such a great candidate how come he couldn't even win the primary?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I am merely pointing out that, short of extreme symptoms that cannot be hidden, there is well established precedent of these kinds of issues being swept under the rug. We have no idea how healthy Biden is.

And I am merely pointing out your conclusions and analogies are big FAILs.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I guess we’ll just have to judge him on his job performance, then.

 

[Delvo]

If Sanders is such a great candidate how come he couldn't even win the primary?

If Biden is and Sanders isn't, then why can that position only be defended by trotting out such obviously dishonest (and already repeatedly debunked right here) claptrap as that?

 

[Stacyhs]

There are members who constantly moan and groan about the 'horrible' Dem centrists and Biden in particular because they aren't as far to the left as these members want. They have the audacity to get things done by not taking the attitude of "It's 100% my way or the highway" which gets no one anywhere. It's criticize, criticize, criticize and paint the bleakest picture possible. Ignore what Biden and the Dems have accomplished and, rarely, when it is acknowledged, it's still somehow not quite good enough.

Where in the world could anybody have gotten the idea that Biden could possibly ever consider doing more if this one actually happens?

Except that he really isn't. If this were something he really wanted, he would have already done it long ago.

And there it is. Thanks for proving my point so quickly.

 

[Stacyhs]

I agree with all of this.

I think Biden is proving himself to be a very good President. Far better than I expected. Especially when you look at the insanity of the present version of the GOP. He knows how the system works and does what he can. It isn’t enough for the far left. But nothing ever is.

Exactly. It's a knee-jerk reaction for some.

 

[Aridas]

Approval rating has little to do with a President's accomplishments.

And the amount of inflation doesn't either.

Perceptions of those those things do matter, though. Nevermind that inflation has been going down for the past year and the economy has been quite strong, people have been fed politically and financially motivated negative narratives and near silence on the positive accomplishments about both pretty ubiquitously. Similar can be said about many of the other complaints about the Biden Administration.

The US actually has the lowest inflation rate in the developed world. It is substantially higher in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. So? Is the comparatively high inflation we are experiencing now the result of this President or maybe other issues? Such as energy supply issues caused by a war in the second largest exporter of oil in the world?

Not just that. If we're talking about oil energy supply specifically, it's not just the Ukraine War, of course. OPEC's been intentionally restricting the flow of oil, Covid's disruption messed with a bunch of smaller oil and gas producers, and the big oil companies that were in a far better positioned to survive in general have been quite happy about their massive windfall profits ever since, while also having a while of being much more cautious when it comes to investment after that shock so those windfall profits have likely ended up being largely removed from the economy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If Biden is and Sanders isn't, then why can that position only be defended by trotting out such obviously dishonest (and already repeatedly debunked right here) claptrap as that?

That was the short version. This is not a Sanders thread.

 

[Stacyhs]

Unless all of you are riding the conspiracy train, whomever left the baggie of Cocaine in the White House was obviously a user of said product with contacts for obtaining it. I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner, just the logical conclusion that whomever possessed it did so for a reason. Use of said powder would be the most common reason to have it. If you think otherwise, that's a different twist and thread section.

The thing is, Chris...unless you're living in outer Mongolia with no internet or phone service...it's quite clear that the conspiracy train chugged out of the GOP Station on Crazy Right-Wing Street early on:

Trump: "Does anybody really believe that the COCAINE found in the West Wing of the White House, very close to the Oval Office, is for the use of anyone other than Hunter & Joe Biden. But watch, the Fake News Media will soon start saying that the amount found was 'very small,' & it wasn't really COCAINE, but rather common ground up Aspirin, & the story will vanish."

"Has Deranged Jack Smith, the crazy, Trump hating Special Prosecutor, been seen in the area of the COCAINE? He looks like a crackhead to me!"

"Where are the White House SECURITY TAPES, like the ones I openly and happily gave to Deranged Jack Smith, which will quickly show where the Cocaine in the White House came from???. They already know the answer, but probably don't like it!"

Darrell Issa on Fox: "He continues to have somebody with a history of drug addiction in the White House. It is not a small problem that we find cocaine after Hunter Biden has been in The White House."

Dan Bongino: “There’s absolutely ZERO chance anyone other than a family member brought that cocaine inside the White House complex. No chance that would make it past the mag/security checkpoints. Family bypasses those,”

So, please, let's not be disingenuous and pretend that the 'conspiracy train' isn't full of right-wing passengers.

As for your claim that " I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner", you're right. You used innuendo instead in order to claim plausible deniability and then you shifted to the baggie moving to different locations. Let's look at your posts:

So that's a hard "no" on any discussion of Cocaine found at the Biden White House then. It's as expected.
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Evidence? Cocaine being found in the White House? That seems to be clear. Or evidence someone in the Biden family has had Cocaine drug related issues? Seems as though it should be a pretty easy crime to solve.
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An investigator of this incident should not consider anyone with past or present drug use related issues with access to the area where the cocaine was found?
OK.

This attempt at gaslighting isn't working on anyone but yourself.

 

[Stacyhs]

According to Reuters on 12 July 2023:

"Biden's rating is identical to his Republican predecessor Donald Trump's 41% approval at this point in his presidency, a relatively low number compared to their immediate predecessors, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican George W. Bush."

Now I see Biden's approval rating has dropped to 40%.

The Economy matters as does Inflation. The best chance Biden has is if he can get the College voters to come out for the election with another debt forgiveness scam like the last one. Can they be fooled again? I'm actually curious myself.

Approval rating has little to do with a President's accomplishments.

And the amount of inflation doesn't either.

The US actually has the lowest inflation rate in the developed world. It is substantially higher in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. So? Is the comparatively high inflation we are experiencing now the result of this President or maybe other issues? Such as energy supply issues caused by a war in the second largest exporter of oil in the world?

When people live in a bubble of either right or left wing news/information, they will believe what they're hearing. The fact is that our economy is doing rather well but you won't hear that in the media most Republicans frequent.

Unemployment rate: 3.6%. This is lower than the long term average of 5.72%.

Inflation rate: US Inflation Rate is at 2.97%, compared to 4.05% last month and 9.06% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.28%.

People have a tendency to view the economy as being negative despite what the numbers say. Prices are always too high. Period. It also takes time for people to modify their views after a particularly bad downturn like we experienced during the pandemic. Add to that being told repeatedly by the GOP that inflation and the 'bad' economy are all due to BIDEN and a large part of Americans believing it, it's no surprise the polls look bad.

Consumers are starting to feel better about the U.S. economy

The University of Michigan's monthly Consumer Sentiment Index hit 72.6 for July — the highest reading since September 2021.

By comparison, the index, which polls individuals about overall business conditions and how they're getting along financially, remains below the high of 101 it reached in February 2020, just prior to the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

But the sentiment measure has now climbed eight of the past 11 months.

In an interview in advance of Friday's release, index director Joanne Hsu said the tracker remains closely tied to inflation. With price increases slowing from their June 2022 highs, it makes sense that a rebound in sentiment is occurring, she said.

"Even though many consumers are still bracing for a possible downturn up ahead, they've noticed how inflation has cooled, and upgraded their views," she said.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

ROFLMAO!

That is a logical fallacy. While it is probably true the source is someone who uses drugs. It certainly isn't a verified fact. And it certainly isn't a verified fact that the source must be a member of the Biden White House as you stated.

Would you consider a cook working in the Navy Mess Hall a member of the Biden White House? How about a Navy captain stationed in the White House? Or the construction worker or the visitor on a tour?

You're just jumping to a conclusion so you can bash Biden. Now that's a verified fact.

If I wanted to bash Biden about drugs, I would have probably mentioned the Mary Jane being found in the White House twice in 2022.

"Per the Secret Service Uniformed Division, small amounts of marijuana were found on two occasions in 2022 (June and September), at a check point,”

Most Americans have their own reasons for not liking Biden. Drugs in the White House are certainly damaging to the Office of the President and the US in my opinion but the Economy is more concerning to me than the recreational drugs being found there. Even if nobody is using them of course.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

When people live in a bubble of either right or left wing news/information, they will believe what they're hearing. The fact is that our economy is doing rather well but you won't hear that in the media most Republicans frequent.

Unemployment rate: 3.6%. This is lower than the long term average of 5.72%.

Inflation rate: US Inflation Rate is at 2.97%, compared to 4.05% last month and 9.06% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.28%.

People have a tendency to view the economy as being negative despite what the numbers say. Prices are always too high. Period. It also takes time for people to modify their views after a particularly bad downturn like we experienced during the pandemic. Add to that being told repeatedly by the GOP that inflation and the 'bad' economy are all due to BIDEN and a large part of Americans believing it, it's no surprise the polls look bad.

Most people stopped believing the talking points that Media parrots some time ago. I can say with complete confidence, most judge the Economy according to how far their paycheck goes. Noting increases in inflation is a simple trick, stating that we're better off because the rate of increase has declined does not restore consumer prices to pre-Biden costs prior to the record highs. Most everyone is suffering in this economy and though you'll never admit it, you know it.

 

[acbytesla]

If I wanted to bash Biden about drugs, I would have probably mentioned the Mary Jane being found in the White House twice in 2022.

"Per the Secret Service Uniformed Division, small amounts of marijuana were found on two occasions in 2022 (June and September), at a check point,”

Most Americans have their own reasons for not liking Biden. Drugs in the White House are certainly damaging to the Office of the President and the US in my opinion but the Economy is more concerning to me than the recreational drugs being found there. Even if nobody is using them of course.

At a checkpoint? What does that tell you? NOTHING.

Yes the economy is of greater concern to the minority number of people who don't like Biden.

My experience with people who say they don't like him don't actually know anything about him. When you are spoonfed your news from FOX news, OAN etc, you are goin to be misinformed.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

The thing is, Chris...unless you're living in outer Mongolia with no internet or phone service...it's quite clear that the conspiracy train chugged out of the GOP Station on Crazy Right-Wing Street early on:

Trump: "Does anybody really believe that the COCAINE found in the West Wing of the White House, very close to the Oval Office, is for the use of anyone other than Hunter & Joe Biden. But watch, the Fake News Media will soon start saying that the amount found was 'very small,' & it wasn't really COCAINE, but rather common ground up Aspirin, & the story will vanish."

"Has Deranged Jack Smith, the crazy, Trump hating Special Prosecutor, been seen in the area of the COCAINE? He looks like a crackhead to me!"

"Where are the White House SECURITY TAPES, like the ones I openly and happily gave to Deranged Jack Smith, which will quickly show where the Cocaine in the White House came from???. They already know the answer, but probably don't like it!"

Darrell Issa on Fox: "He continues to have somebody with a history of drug addiction in the White House. It is not a small problem that we find cocaine after Hunter Biden has been in The White House."

Dan Bongino: “There’s absolutely ZERO chance anyone other than a family member brought that cocaine inside the White House complex. No chance that would make it past the mag/security checkpoints. Family bypasses those,”

So, please, let's not be disingenuous and pretend that the 'conspiracy train' isn't full of right-wing passengers.

As for your claim that " I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner", you're right. You used innuendo instead in order to claim plausible deniability and then you shifted to the baggie moving to different locations. Let's look at your posts:







This attempt at gaslighting isn't working on anyone but yourself.

I suppose to some it's best to just bury things that may be seen as questionable by the public.

Again, I merely quoted the differing locations of the White House Cocaine being reported by Media outlets. I did not invent these reports or locations, just commented on them. I tend to ask questions when something seems improper. I realize full well the Media lies a bit.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

At a checkpoint? What does that tell you? NOTHING.

Yes the economy is of greater concern to the minority number of people who don't like Biden.

My experience with people who say they don't like him don't actually know anything about him. When you are spoonfed your news from FOX news, OAN etc, you are goin to be misinformed.

I would argue that when you are spoon fed your news by any Media outlet, you're going to be misinformed. It's strange that US Media has reached a point where one must investigate any story they cover, or don't cover, to be well informed. It wasn't always that way.

 

[acbytesla]

Most people stopped believing the talking points that Media parrots some time ago. I can say with complete confidence, most judge the Economy according to how far their paycheck goes. Noting increases in inflation is a simple trick, stating that we're better off because the rate of increase has declined does not restore consumer prices to pre-Biden costs prior to the record highs. Most everyone is suffering in this economy and though you'll never admit it, you know it.

You're actually right about this.

But that doesn’t mean that Biden administration was the cause of that inflation. And I know you're smart enough to know this. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

 

[shemp]

When people live in a bubble of either right or left wing news/information, they will believe what they're hearing. The fact is that our economy is doing rather well but you won't hear that in the media most Republicans frequent.

Unemployment rate: 3.6%. This is lower than the long term average of 5.72%.

Inflation rate: US Inflation Rate is at 2.97%, compared to 4.05% last month and 9.06% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.28%.

People have a tendency to view the economy as being negative despite what the numbers say. Prices are always too high. Period. It also takes time for people to modify their views after a particularly bad downturn like we experienced during the pandemic. Add to that being told repeatedly by the GOP that inflation and the 'bad' economy are all due to BIDEN and a large part of Americans believing it, it's no surprise the polls look bad.

None of that matters. Hunter is a druggie and a pedophile! Joe has sold the country to the Chinese! George Soros is enslaving your children! WAKE UP SHEEPLESES!!1!!11!ELEVENTY!!1

 

[acbytesla]

None of that matters. Hunter is a druggie and a pedophile! Joe has sold the country to the Chinese! George Soros is enslaving your children! WAKE UP SHEEPLESES!!1!!11!ELEVENTY!!1

1800 people work at the White House and on average 6,000 people visit the White House every day. But the coke has to belong to an Angelino who lives 3,000 miles away?

Yeah, that makes sense.