Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Hopefully this is the first of more debt relief to come, SCOTUS be damned.
Where in the world could anybody have gotten the idea that Biden could possibly ever consider doing more if this one actually happens?

It's very good for Biden to be seen going to bat for student loan borrowers.
Except that he really isn't. If this were something he really wanted, he would have already done it long ago.
 
If he's just doing it to get votes... well isn't that how elections are supposed to work?
 
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Where in the world could anybody have gotten the idea that Biden could possibly ever consider doing more if this one actually happens?

The relatively steady trickle of similar actions that have reduced the burden of student debt on the population incrementally?

If he's just doing it to get votes... well isn't that how elections are supposed to work?

Err... honestly, that feels like it's a weird spin, the kind of weird that equivocates between practical strategy and theoretical foundations.

Either way, I'm a bit ambivalent to whether he's doing it for votes or not. What matters more is that it's being done and the larger context it's being done within.
 
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Now that was a heck of a reply. My summation is: I used to really want someone else, but Biden was OK.
That's not what I said at all. I'll simplify it in case it's my fault for not being clear enough:

Biden is doing a great job as POTUS
The Democrats are doing their usual poor job of marketing
Too many people on the left (including left of center) have bought into the promoted narrative Biden is too old and I wish those 'libruls' would recognize when they are buying a false narrative being amplified by the GOP
We have time to market Biden's successes.

As for no better candidate is in the wings, one never knows when the next Obama is going to turn up. Were that the case then I'd evaluate said candidates at that time. Doesn't mean I don't think Biden is a good candidate.

The Democrats have always been bad at selling their candidates. I keep hoping that will change but it's not all Biden's fault.

But theres no one else out there from any party, or any independent, who has announced a run that I'd choose over Biden. But, that there just "HAS to be someone I'd prefer" out there... maybe Pete Buttigieg, maybe Gretchen Witmer... I dunno.
If this is paraphrasing words you imagine I'm saying, you'd be wrong. I think it goes with the false assumption you posted that I think Biden is only OK.

People in this discussion just can't let go of that 'he's too old' narrative and project it onto people who don't think it's true.

Now, well he's done such a good job with the Ukrainian war effort in the past few months that I'd be afraid that whoever replaces him will be worse. So, 4 more years of Biden is my #1 pick. Biden now seems to have a good working relationship with Zelensky, that will obviously be gone with a new POTUS.

I have my disagreements with Biden on certain issues but that will be true of absolutely anyone who becomes POTUS.

There's plenty of time.
 
She's one foot into the grave now, but the party has been downplaying her health concerns and specifically her slipping mental acuity for years. It was hidden until her problems were so severe that it was impossible to continue doing so.

None of that supports your crap that there's a secret cabal covering up Biden's dementia.
 
Where in the world could anybody have gotten the idea that Biden could possibly ever consider doing more if this one actually happens?

Except that he really isn't. If this were something he really wanted, he would have already done it long ago.
Well, I though he had thought he had done it (and likely also wanted it), until the Supreme Court clobbered it.
 
That's not what I said at all. I'll simplify it in case it's my fault for not being clear enough:

Biden is doing a great job as POTUS
The Democrats are doing their usual poor job of marketing
Too many people on the left (including left of center) have bought into the promoted narrative Biden is too old and I wish those 'libruls' would recognize when they are buying a false narrative being amplified by the GOP
We have time to market Biden's successes.

As for no better candidate is in the wings, one never knows when the next Obama is going to turn up. Were that the case then I'd evaluate said candidates at that time. Doesn't mean I don't think Biden is a good candidate.

The Democrats have always been bad at selling their candidates. I keep hoping that will change but it's not all Biden's fault.

If this is paraphrasing words you imagine I'm saying, you'd be wrong. I think it goes with the false assumption you posted that I think Biden is only OK.

People in this discussion just can't let go of that 'he's too old' narrative and project it onto people who don't think it's true.



There's plenty of time.

I agree with all of this.

I think Biden is proving himself to be a very good President. Far better than I expected. Especially when you look at the insanity of the present version of the GOP. He knows how the system works and does what he can. It isn’t enough for the far left. But nothing ever is.
 
Either way, I'm a bit ambivalent to whether he's doing it for votes or not. What matters more is that it's being done and the larger context it's being done within.

For me it's just a sort of positive cynicism. I don't hope to have politicians that truly care about what helps people. Maybe some do some of the time, maybe they don't. I can't see what's in a person's heart.

It's enough, however, if they have to listen sometimes and preserve their power by doing things the voters want. That's probably about how anything helpful ever gets done. I trust in that, however rare, more than I trust in someone seeming to have good intentions.
 
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You don't have that established. What you have is that one of the many people coming and going had some in their possession and ditched it. I'm not sure what larger conclusion can be drawn from that.

You're confusing mockery with logical fallacy.



Evidence of King Kong attacking airplanes from atop the Empire State Building is up for debate, too.



No, a baggie of cocaine being found in the White House has been verified. "Use" has not been verified. But nice try.

You're the one committing a logical fallacy. Cocaine was found in the West Wing. As Stacyhs said, use has not been verified.

We have no idea who it belonged to. It could have belonged to a member of the military, or a Secret Service employee, a janitor. a visitor on a tour, or as you mentioned a construction worker.

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Unless all of you are riding the conspiracy train, whomever left the baggie of Cocaine in the White House was obviously a user of said product with contacts for obtaining it. I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner, just the logical conclusion that whomever possessed it did so for a reason. Use of said powder would be the most common reason to have it. If you think otherwise, that's a different twist and thread section.
 
I agree with all of this.

I think Biden is proving himself to be a very good President. Far better than I expected. Especially when you look at the insanity of the present version of the GOP. He knows how the system works and does what he can. It isn’t enough for the far left. But nothing ever is.

According to Reuters on 12 July 2023:

"Biden's rating is identical to his Republican predecessor Donald Trump's 41% approval at this point in his presidency, a relatively low number compared to their immediate predecessors, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican George W. Bush."

Now I see Biden's approval rating has dropped to 40%.

The Economy matters as does Inflation. The best chance Biden has is if he can get the College voters to come out for the election with another debt forgiveness scam like the last one. Can they be fooled again? I'm actually curious myself.
 
What do you mean by fooled?

Plenty of loans have been forgiven even more deferred.

It's not a trick when it actually does something you want.
 
Unless all of you are riding the conspiracy train, whomever left the baggie of Cocaine in the White House was obviously a user of said product with contacts for obtaining it. I made no speculation as to the identity of its owner, just the logical conclusion that whomever possessed it did so for a reason. Use of said powder would be the most common reason to have it. If you think otherwise, that's a different twist and thread section.

your conclusions are the guy who had the cocaine got it from somewhere
 
My guess, if this had happened in Trump's term, is that it would have been handled about the same, but that people of a certain persuasion would instantly accuse the left of having planted it, and no amount of either evidence or ambiguity would convince them otherwise. In the current situation they may have to settle for a partisan pissing contest.

No if it had happened under T**** it would have been hushed up and anybody mentioning even tangentially would have been accused of treason. The right wing media, including "mainstream" outlets, would have seen to it.
 
When you say "any likely candidate" I don't see anyone moving up in the ranks. Were Nancy Pelosi considering running I might weigh her viability. But she seems determined to retire.

It's important the candidate does not pose a risk of losing to Trump because they don't appeal to a full range of voters from the middle to the left. IOW Sanders is not a good candidate. There are others like IOC who I think will make a very good candidate in a decade or so.

This business of Biden's too old is BS. Lots of people maintain fully functioning brains well into their 90s. I see no indication that isn't the case with Biden. A brief lapse in short term memory truly is not an indication of impending dementia. To counter any of his short term memory lapses all the Democrats need to do is to play this video ad nauseum:

They could do a montage of that plus Trump carefully walking down the ramp after his West Point speech, Trump with TP hanging off his shoe going up the airplane stairs and his inability to close an umbrella at the top of the stairs.

To counter that backfiring they could show Joe tripping 3 times on the plane stairs with a comment "No this doesn't make a candidate incompetent, you look at their record in office for that." Maybe scroll a long list of Biden's accomplishments until the ad fades out.

Wouldn't that make a great ad? :fg:

But I digress. Yes, I think Biden is like the race between the tortoise and the hare. You know the outcome of that symbolic fictional race.

I don't think he's too old and I think people saying so are knee-jerking their assessment.

Actually a Sanders is the perfect candidate to run against a T****, because he cuts that type of candidate's whole schtick out from underneath them. Grievance politics doesn't work when your opponent is offering actual solutions to those grievances.
 
None of that supports your crap that there's a secret cabal covering up Biden's dementia.

I am merely pointing out that, short of extreme symptoms that cannot be hidden, there is well established precedent of these kinds of issues being swept under the rug. We have no idea how healthy Biden is.
 
I am merely pointing out that, short of extreme symptoms that cannot be hidden, there is well established precedent of these kinds of issues being swept under the rug. We have no idea how healthy Biden is.

Wasn't Reagan suffering full-on dementia during his final year in office?
 
Grievance politics doesn't work when your opponent is offering actual solutions to those grievances.
Sure it does. People don't want solutions, they want validation. Solutions are hard and remind them of their mistakes. They want reassurance that they haven't made any mistakes and that all their troubles are because of those people.
 
What do you mean by fooled?

Plenty of loans have been forgiven even more deferred.

It's not a trick when it actually does something you want.

When Democrats help people who are struggling financially, it’s a scam.

When Republicans give massive tax breaks to the wealthy donor class, it’s good economic policy.
 
I am merely pointing out that, short of extreme symptoms that cannot be hidden, there is well established precedent of these kinds of issues being swept under the rug. We have no idea how healthy Biden is.

I guess we’ll just have to judge him on his job performance, then.
 
According to Reuters on 12 July 2023:

"Biden's rating is identical to his Republican predecessor Donald Trump's 41% approval at this point in his presidency, a relatively low number compared to their immediate predecessors, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican George W. Bush."

Now I see Biden's approval rating has dropped to 40%.

The Economy matters as does Inflation. The best chance Biden has is if he can get the College voters to come out for the election with another debt forgiveness scam like the last one. Can they be fooled again? I'm actually curious myself.

Approval rating has little to do with a President's accomplishments.

And the amount of inflation doesn't either.

The US actually has the lowest inflation rate in the developed world. It is substantially higher in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. So? Is the comparatively high inflation we are experiencing now the result of this President or maybe other issues? Such as energy supply issues caused by a war in the second largest exporter of oil in the world?
 
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