Christianity is a grotesque blight!

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Do you?

Does he?

He stated that they did not harm democracy... so that means he knows that they did not vote for any of the dastards we currently have destroying this country in all possible ways... does he?... do you?

If they are christian then statistically they are more likely to have voted for dastards actively sabotaging this country and the rest of the world.

If they are more like the Grand Fellow in the very first post in this thread then great... but given the responses to that post in the posts that followed it... I would bet not.

ETA: also it is not just voting... even if they did not vote at all... if they donated or tithed to churches or whatever cults they attend then they have contributed to the overall harm to this country and the world at large.

Most of them Vote PvdA, Groen Links, D66 or occassionally maybe CDA or SP. Though Volt also seems to be doing well.
As for Tithing, I'm not sure if that really is a thing here. Maybe putting a bit on a collection plate once in a while.

As I said, the danger in Europe does not come from Christianity, but resurgent Fascism, often disguised in nationalist populism. If they mention religion at all it's mainly 'Judeo Christian' values that get espoused as a way to say 'less colored people' without saying so out loud.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Do you?

Irrelevant, because I'm not making any claim.

Does he?

I would assume so, since unlike you, he actually knows them. I myself know quite a few Christians who are appalled by the undermining of democracy in the U.S. and the slide toward minority rule by a totalitarian oligarchy.

He stated that they did not harm democracy... so that means he knows that they did not vote for any of the dastards we currently have destroying this country in all possible ways... does he?... do you?

I'm not the one making a claim, Leumas. I know you struggle with reading comprehension, so I'll attempt to explain it to you. LS said that Christians he personally knows weren't acting to destroy democracy. You thought you'd rebutted that claim by quoting someone else talking about other Christians voting habits. I then asked you if you had personal knowledge of the way LS's acquaintances had voted (the correct answer is "no").

For LS to have said that, I assume that he's had discussions with them in which they expressed their views on various GOP politicians. Given that he(?) was clearly referring to specific Christians of his acquaintance, you "rebutting" him by quoting someone else talking about other people is a remarkable failure of logic for someone so prone to lecture others about the topic.

If they are christian then statistically they are more likely to have voted for dastards actively sabotaging this country and the rest of the world.

Irrelevant. The Christians in question are not a random sample. We have a statement regarding them. You have no way to refute that. But you can't ever admit error, so you're going to do "whatabout..." back-flips until the subject moves on.

If they are more like the Grand Fellow in the very first post in this thread then great... but given the responses to that post in the posts that followed it... I would bet not.

What would you bet? You seem to be basing your doubt and cynicism of people you don't even know on your anti-Christan bigotry. Is it really so hard for you to accept that people can have irrational beliefs, but still be altruistic?

ETA: also it is not just voting... even if they did not vote at all... if they donated or tithed to churches or whatever cults they attend then they have contributed to the overall harm to this country and the world at large.

That's as poor an argument as your "all Christians are schizophrenic" generalization.

 

[Apathia]

Just for the record, I do know Christians who vote progressively, and even if they consider their religion supreme don't think it should have political first place.

In my opinion mainstream Christian beliefs are at core anti-democratic and pernicious. But fortunately a lot of Christians aren't intellectually consistent.

(Yes, enter "Congregationalism." It's just that the promised Other Side in the Kingdom of God is autocratic.)

And it's the beliefs that are pernicious. People are more complicated than their beliefs.

 

[Leumas]

Just for the record, I do know Christians who vote progressively, and even if they consider their religion supreme don't think it should have political first place.

Yes... so do I... one of my best friends used to be a Methodist Reverend with his own Church and parishioners and all... used to enjoy attending his Wednesday nights Bible Study sessions and the dinner afterwards.

He voted Democrats and so did all his family.

On the other hand I have also had the misfortune of having met and dealt with some of the most pernicious busybodies and vomitus sycophants and pathetic weasels and villainous thugs who were also devout theists and the more devout they were the more dastardly... and the christian variety was the most wicked followed very very closely by the muslim variety.

In my opinion mainstream Christian beliefs are at core anti-democratic and pernicious. But fortunately a lot of Christians aren't intellectually consistent.

Indeed... well said!!!

(Yes, enter "Congregationalism." It's just that the promised Other Side in the Kingdom of God is autocratic.)

Yes... it was not the Republic of Heaven but rather the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus promised his cult members if they castrated themselves (Matthew 19:12) and if they left their parents to rot unburied and follow his cult instead (Mathew 8:22).

And it's the beliefs that are pernicious. People are more complicated than their beliefs.

Yes... but statistics show that the majority of the blighted are also blighters given half a chance.

And do not forget the Petri Dish Effect too.

 

[junkshop]

...And do not forget the Petri Dish Effect too.

Which one?

This?

WHAT THE PETRI DISH RESIN EFFECT?
The main working component in the petri dish effect is white alcohol ink. Since it is heavier than the other colors and settles down to the bottom in resin, you can use drops of it on top of every other color to push the dye all the way through the resin. The results are mind-blowing and, dare we say, other-worldly!

This?

Some have praised cruise ship containment as being effective in reducing the spread to the mainland, but public health experts have criticized this process as risky to passengers and believe that the ship could create a Petri-dish effect. This could increase the number of confirmed cases among passengers and crew who worked and slept in close quarters.

Or the one you made up?

I actually call that the Petri Dish Effect.

So a sweet nun who with one hand feeds the people who are poor as a result of the blighters being in power, is, with the other hand "feeding" the blighters and nourishing them.

And even the charity act itself, further enables the blighters too because the charity comes with the FISHING HOOK to "fish for men" who will then be blighted into becoming a substrate in the Petri Dish feeding and enabling the blighters.

 

[Craig4]

Do you?

Does he?

He stated that they did not harm democracy... so that means he knows that they did not vote for any of the dastards we currently have destroying this country in all possible ways... does he?... do you?

If they are christian then statistically they are more likely to have voted for dastards actively sabotaging this country and the rest of the world.

If they are more like the Grand Fellow in the very first post in this thread then great... but given the responses to that post in the posts that followed it... I would bet not.

ETA: also it is not just voting... even if they did not vote at all... if they donated or tithed to churches or whatever cults they attend then they have contributed to the overall harm to this country and the world at large.

That's nice. Dems don't win in the South without Black church women. Maybe someday they will but today and in 2024, they don't and can't. If you want get abortion rights back, protect gay marriage and reduce climate change, clap your hands and sing, "Go Tell it on the Mountain".

 

[Apathia]

Yes... but statistics show that the majority of the blighted are also blighters given half a chance.

Alas, yes. That frightens me.
So, I try to back out of the playground when the snakes are there and stay out of the shark infested pools.

 

[Leumas]

Christian Zombies

Alas, yes. That frightens me.
So, I try to back out of the playground when the snakes are there and stay out of the shark infested pools.

Yes... but unfortunately unlike sharks or snakes... the Christian (and other religions) Zombies do not stay in the brushes or in their pools.

They are like those Zombies in the World War Z movie...

 

[Leumas]

Christianity Is Fascism

...resurgent Fascism, often disguised in nationalist populism. ...

The Catholic Church is fascist and has throughout most of its millennia backed and aided and abetted and even sanctified every single fascist regime in Europe.

Martin Luther condemned the German peasants' uprisings and even sanctified them being massacred by the aristocrats.

The Anglican Church is itself fascist.

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

Here read the list of Christian (and other) Fascists in the past... Clerical Fascism.

I am not extremely well informed about the current "resurgent fascisms" in Europe at large... perhaps you can tell me... are they or are they not also Christian and religious too? I know that in Italy they are... also in most other countries I know... more often than not... Fascists are also religious and conservative and their nationalism is part and parcel of their religion.

 

[Thermal]

As we prepare to celebrate Independence Day in the United States, I recall the immortal words of Thomas Paine: "Some mother ******* are more fun at parties than others"

 

[Leumas]

Christianity is a False Attribution

Here are some true Thomas Paine quotes...

• “What is it the Bible teaches us? - raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.” ―Thomas Paine
• "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum." ― Thomas Paine
• "We must be compelled to hold this doctrine to be false, and the old and new law called the Old and New Testament, to be impositions, fables and forgeries." ― Thomas Paine
• "It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." ― Thomas Paine

 

[Beerina]

I should like to point out that Christianity is just one of many memeplexes used to sway the masses so you can gain power and live in a mansion and throw your enemies into jail.

 

[Craig4]

Here are some true Thomas Paine quotes...

• “What is it the Bible teaches us? - raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.” ―Thomas Paine
• "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum." ― Thomas Paine
• "We must be compelled to hold this doctrine to be false, and the old and new law called the Old and New Testament, to be impositions, fables and forgeries." ― Thomas Paine
• "It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." ― Thomas Paine

All true but for the time being we're stuck with it. If you want to make common cause with Christians whose beliefs and interests intersect with your own, best not throw rocks at them.

 

[Leumas]

... Christians whose beliefs .. intersect with your own...

If they are Christian then their beliefs do not intersect with reality altogether, let alone my own.

... common cause with Christians whose ... interests intersect with your own, best not throw rocks at them.

If their "interests" intersect with mine despite being not anchored in reality... I will be taking a very hard and long introspective look at those "interests".

Nevertheless...

• "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." ― Steven Weinberg

... best not throw rocks at them.

Stating FACTS and pointing out the absurdity of their beliefs is not "throwing rocks".

For example... pointing out that Zombies hopping onto clouds to fly up up and awayyyyy to outer space to sit on a sequined thrones is not a sane belief... and saying so is not a ROCK being thrown or otherwise.

 

[Leumas]

Christianity is an atrocious hoax!

I should like to point out that Christianity is just one of many memeplexes used to sway the masses so you can gain power and live in a mansion and throw your enemies into jail.

Indeed...

However... I think it is the only one that says that foppish dastards (i.e. priests) who carry out hideous crimes in their rectories and elsewhere, will be welcomed in heaven with 99 times more joyous jubilation than their victims who remain duped by the cult despite its hideous crimes that were never stopped by the sadistic voyeur Jesus.

And worse... while those lecherous priests are being welcomed into the bosom of the licentious voyeur Jesus, their victims who did not remain duped by the cult of human blood sacrifice, will be tortured for eternity for daring to execrate the hoax.

 

[junkshop]

Leumas, why are you shouting at a bunch of sceptics about the many and varied ills of organised religion?

At best you're preaching to the choir. At worst your ... how to put this?.. singular mode of address tends to distract from the points you are trying to make, and annoys the **** out of people who might otherwise have been your allies.

Your ire is not unjustifiable, but your aim is way off.

 

[Dr.Sid]

I like it. I'm learning many new words.

 

[Craig4]

If they are Christian then their beliefs do not intersect with reality altogether, let alone my own.





If their "interests" intersect with mine despite being not anchored in reality... I will be taking a very hard and long introspective look at those "interests".

Nevertheless...

• "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." ― Steven Weinberg

Stating FACTS and pointing out the absurdity of their beliefs is not "throwing rocks".

For example... pointing out that Zombies hopping onto clouds to fly up up and awayyyyy to outer space to sit on a sequined thrones is not a sane belief... and saying so is not a ROCK being thrown or otherwise.

Please don't become politically active.

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, why are you shouting at a bunch of sceptics about the many and varied ills of organised religion?

At best you're preaching to the choir. At worst your ... how to put this?.. singular mode of address tends to distract from the points you are trying to make, and annoys the **** out of people who might otherwise have been your allies.

Your ire is not unjustifiable, but your aim is way off.

Thanks for your concerns junkshop.

But... junkshop... words written down are not "shouting"... not by any rational contortions of the term.

Also... junkshop... saying things like

... annoys the **** out of people

Indicates that I am definitely NOT

...preaching to the choir....

Furthermore, junkshop...

...might otherwise have been your allies.

1. Your statement is not true
   
2. I don't care for "potential allies" who think written words are shouting and stating facts is throwing rocks and are more concerned to defend the deluded religionists from stated facts and truths by maligning and slandering the one who states the truths and facts.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

The Anglican church that was created by a lecherous horny despotic murdering KING is the quintessential embodiment of ELITES who extirpated and tortured and raped and pillaged the mediocre throughout the centuries of its history while upholding KINGS and QUEENS as the DIVINELY appointed ELITES.

The litany of the crimes against the mediocre and hideous villainy of almost every cancerous bifurcation of all the risible variations of the blight called christianity is attested to by the facts of reality of current affairs as well as history.

You are wrong. We know this because when Stalin removed the 'lecherous elites' and 'blight of religion' from Russia, it didn't get any better.

Why Stalin Tried to Stamp Out Religion in the Soviet Union

The new “socialist man,” Stalin argued, was an atheist one, free of the religious chains that had helped to bind him to class oppression. From 1928 until World War II, when some restrictions were relaxed, the totalitarian dictator shuttered churches, synagogues and mosques and ordered the killing and imprisonment of thousands of religious leaders in an effort to eliminate even the concept of God.

“He saw this as a way of getting rid of a past that was holding people back, and marching towards the future of science and progress"

Stalin got rid of religion in the most militant way possible, by killing church 'elites' and indoctrinating the public in atheism. Of course some people didn't like that, so he had to kill a few more to get the job done. But by ruling with an iron fist he managed to stamp out religion in Soviet Russia - and so became the thing he was trying to eradicate.

You see, there will always be elites and they will always rape and pillage the mediocre. It's how human societies work - with or without religion. People join a religion because it allows them to be mediocre. But cults don't have to be religious. Donald Trump is a lecherous despotic wannabe king who barely pretends to be religious, and 40% of the US is enthralled by him.