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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

So why is this being allowed to go out? I see other people saying that this is like a primer to see what we make of it before 'revealing' what they have been doing. Though why now would be the time, and not last year or 30 years ago I really don't know. It feels like it is being manufactured. If it is I'd love to know why.

It's most definitely being manufactured. There are people who NEED this all to be true. Some of these people are rich and have political reach.

Why now? Because the Tic-Tac video, AATIP/UAP revelations laid the groundwork for all of this. MAGA and QANON have created an atmosphere that has allowed this silliness to advance much further into the halls of Congress than it should have.

Nothing is being "allowed out". He had to clear it with a specific office, they had to call around to assess his information. While I have no direct knowledge of how those phone calls went, I suspect there was a lot of laughing at some point. He is a private citizen now, and is free to spread all the BS he wants to. Notice he doesn't talk about the NRO's day-to-day activities, or their toys. There are many things he should be talking about if any of this was true: where the craft are stored, how the craft are transferred from the crash site(s), who secures the crash site, who transports the recovered craft, who guards them now, code names for the operations,code name for the black-site where the craft are housed, dates, names of people involved, and a long list of facts that someone with direct knowledge should have (even if they don't have photos, videos, or documents).

For me, this is the third "high profile" UFO whistleblower since the mid-1980s, starting with MJ-12, then Colonel Philip J Corso. People are being had.
 
What is this about then?
I got the wrong location; Las Vegas, Nevada, not Utah. (A desert's a desert to me.) The original report was from News 8 Now in Las Vegas, which has also posted a few of their own follow-ups.

Quick little summary:
  • A bright light was seen coming down from the sky by multiple people from multiple angles, including a police bodycam.
  • "Soon" after that, a 911 call was made from somewhere in the area of that cop's location, saying the thing had landed in the caller's back yard and there were aliens standing outside it. Original reports made the timing sound almost immediate, but somebody else (behind the video that's linked above this post) apparently found out that it was about 45 minutes. (The caller sounds scared in some parts of the call and calm in others, so you can make it sound either way by cutting out parts.)
  • Another cop was sent to the house where the call had come from; this cop hadn't seen the falling light himself and thus wouldn't know how close or far the house was to where the light would have landed.
  • That cop's bodycam showed people talking about what at least one of them saw, but was blacked out when the cop went into the back yard.
  • A bunch of other news outlets picked the story up from that point, which was all there was when I first caught on to it and posted that it seemed like a chunk of the story was missing.
  • The Las Vegas police dismissed the case as unfounded.
  • Something that some people had already known all along started getting spread more widely: that the flash of light was a meteor that had been documented from a series of sightings all over the west and had its composition identified by the light's color.
  • The back yard, which turns out to be a gravel parking lot where they park some kind of heavy equipment as if for a family business, had some roughly circular marks on it which were supposedly made by the thing landing there, but, almost as soon as that detail got out, people saw the same marks in aerial photographs from months before.
  • Inconsistencies in the 911 caller's story were noticed on review of the video from the responding cop, particularly about whether the parents had seen what the caller was talking about themselves or were just saying he'd seen it and told them about it.
  • The person who made the call was found out to be somebody who'd already had an online presence talking about aliens being real before any of this happened.
 
It's crap.

Worse, it's an indicator how how lazy mainstream news media has become.

The NY Post's Steven Greenstreet destroys this story thoroughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsOu3GXX5w

Some day I'll learn how to embed video links, but today it not that day.

And nobody. No one. No "news" organization thought to look at the location on Google Earth. They would have seen that the "Landing Circle" was there waaay before the date of the crash.

Mr Greenstreet is correct. The MSN has abnegated its responsibility to find the truth. They have "sold their birthright for a mess of pottage" (QV).

:mad:
 
I'm finding it very same-old, same-old.



Because most of us (a) don't measure our professional credentials that way, and (b) don't look too deeply into what sorts of credentials are typical for that kind of work. It's meant to sound uncommonly impressive. His credentials are about right for the job he says he was doing, and not very uncommon. He will have many, many peers.



It's not clear to what extent the colonel's endorsement covers the claims being made. It's very easy to call up someone's current or former superior and ask general questions.

Take, for example, my buddy Trent. I haven't spoken to him in several years. But we worked together at Dept. of Energy on some sensitive subjects. He has Q clearance and a bunch of other clearances. He has military combat experience. In short, his resume is comparable to Grusch's. If someone called me up and asked me generally things like, "Is Trent a trustworthy individual?" I would give him a glowing recommendation. It would be honest and earned. However, if some author juxtaposes those accurate quotes alongside some wacky thing Trent may have said in some context I'm not aware of, it might end up sounding like I'm endorsing the wackiness.

That's how this sort of pseudo-journalism works. Nothing is piecewise false, but the narrative being put together as a whole out of those individual parts just isn't true.



Which is the easiest lie to tell.

If I tell you my work with Trent at Dept. of Energy concerned reverse engineering alien technology, and that only a few high-level people worked on it, and that it was strictly a need-to-know project, how would you be able to prove I was lying? Critical people see this as an untestable claim. Uncritical people see this as, "Ooooh! Scary!"



The whole shenanigan is meant to sound plausible while at the same time being impossible to refute. That's what's suspicious. Other people with high clearances can say, "I've never heard of anything like this," and Grusch can double-down and say that it was compartmentalized. But compartmentalized information is even more restrictive than those available as part of general classification levels or codeword clearance. They can't make it irrefutable without making it even less plausible to people who actually know how this stuff works. But that's not the intended audience. They're trying to dupe ordinary lay people.



It's the same old tap dance they've performed for decades. Since this is allegedly so sensitive and compartmentalized, so they say, actual testable evidence is almost impossible to come by.



No, no one gets "vanished." You simply get arrested, charged, and (if convicted) imprisoned. It's extremely important to the deterrent effect that the consequences of violating secrecy oaths are highly visible to those who might contemplate it.



Because it's obviously bogus. There are no actual secrets at stake and no secrecy oaths being actually violated. Therefore there's no legal cause of action. There's no law against making something up and claiming it is a highly classified truth, especially when it's the same claims as others have made. And legally speaking, all Grusch can claim to have is hearsay. The First Amendment lets him make up quite a bit of fiction.



Because there's an industry that caters to UFO nuts who eat this stuff up. Nothing that Grusch claims will ever be substantiated, but Grusch and any number of promoters will make a mint on the convention circuit fleecing the gullible rubes.

Thanks for taking the time to write this I enjoyed reading it!
 
Michael Shermer talks to Michael Shellenberger.

The latter appears to buy into the UFO story because he found anonymous sources who say they have seen the spaceships. Shellenberger says he knows they are credible and not crazy because he knows what crazy people sound like (he’s interviewed homeless people in San Francisco!), whereas all these other guys are very credible he says. One of them also says he saw alien bodies but he left that out because …. well …. maybe that’s too far. :rolleyes:

https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/the-michael-shermer-show/id1352860989?i=1000617029856
 
Michael Shermer talks to Michael Shellenberger.

The latter appears to buy into the UFO story because he found anonymous sources who say they have seen the spaceships. Shellenberger says he knows they are credible and not crazy because he knows what crazy people sound like (he’s interviewed homeless people in San Francisco!), whereas all these other guys are very credible he says. One of them also says he saw alien bodies but he left that out because …. well …. maybe that’s too far. :rolleyes:

https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/the-michael-shermer-show/id1352860989?i=1000617029856

I had already listened to that before you posted the link. Pretty much a waste of time. :(
 
It's not tangential at all. Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow (he of the Aerospace corporation), and a couple of others, have been behind the funding for most of the UFO/UAP investigations since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#UFOs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bigelow#Anomalies_research

Skeptoid has a good two-parter:
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 1
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 2
You seemed to be suggesting that Harry Reid sponsors the careers of UFO fantasists in the national intelligence services.
 
I thought the aliens only came to help
They must be nice, they brought a book called 'To Serve Mankind,
 
It's crap.

Worse, it's an indicator how how lazy mainstream news media has become.

The NY Post's Steven Greenstreet destroys this story thoroughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsOu3GXX5w

Some day I'll learn how to embed video links, but today it not that day.

The way is [ yt ]ULsOu3GXX5w[ /yt ], but take out the squares between the brackets, and substitute in whatever video code you want for the one I used (it's the bit after "v=").
 
They have had these UFOs since the 50s and the air force still relies on rotating airfoils and gas turbine engines pointing down for vertical take off and hovering
 
They have had these UFOs since the 50s and the air force still relies on rotating airfoils and gas turbine engines pointing down for vertical take off and hovering

Yes, and we power all of our aircraft by *checks notes* lighting fossilized materials on fire.

And keeping a secret for 80 years has to be a world record.
 
What alternatives would we have necessarily switched to, and how do you know that it's possible/pheasible?
 
What alternatives would we have necessarily switched to, and how do you know that it's possible/pheasible?

I would imagine that any aliens arriving on earth wouldn't be using helicopters and gas turbines.
 

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