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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

Other than an opportunity for weird and tangential Reid-bashing, I don't see the connection.
It's not tangential at all. Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow (he of the Aerospace corporation), and a couple of others, have been behind the funding for most of the UFO/UAP investigations since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#UFOs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bigelow#Anomalies_research

Skeptoid has a good two-parter:
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 1
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 2
 
The recent police bodycam video & 911 call from Utah is interesting. If there really were an alien crash or landing in a place like that, I believe that's what it would really look like at first. And blacking out the back yard from the video "because it's private property" when back yards have never been blacked out before certainly looks suspicious. But somebody at the police station who did the blacking out would know what it showed, and the people who walked into that back yard would have talked about what they saw; the story wouldn't have ended right before we get to the meat. And there's a conspicuous lack of any word on whether the alien object flew away, sank into the Earth, vanished, is still there, or whatever else. It's like we got the perfectly credible intro to a perfectly real story of an alien arrival, and then got cut off after the intro.

I saw that, but I didn't find it particularly interesting. The 7-9 foot tall green aliens was cute. If you're grasping at anything, maybe it was interesting that supposedly more than one independent witness saw something, but compared to Phoenix Lights or the Ariel school incident, it was pretty low-key.

What is this about then?
 
Here's another thing that occurred to me over the weekend.

Think about the globe. If an alien spacecraft were to crash in a random place on the planet, where is it most likely to be? In the ocean, obviously. So rule those out and assume that it crashes on land.

A very large part of one half of the globe is Russia and China.

If the US has crashed spaceships and alien bodies, then so do the Russians and the Chinese.

Well, it is so that a large proportion of US people (present company excluded, of course) are obviously unaware of the small fact that there is such a place as 'outside the US'. So naturally they don't find it mysterious that aliens only land/crash on US territory. ;):p

Hans
 
It's not tangential at all. Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow (he of the Aerospace corporation), and a couple of others, have been behind the funding for most of the UFO/UAP investigations since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#UFOs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bigelow#Anomalies_research

Skeptoid has a good two-parter:
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 1
The UFO Rogues Gallery Takes Over America, Part 2

Indeed - to summarize, Robert Bigelow is a wealthy UFO believer who was a friend and significant campaign donor to Senator Harry Reid. In 2007 Reid used his influence as a US senator to arrange a no-bid military research contract specifically for a company run by Bigelow; on the record the contract was (deliberately) misleadingly described as for generic "aerospace technology research", but in reality Bigelow's company used the money to investigate ghosts, werewolves, and bigfeet on a supposedly "haunted" ranch in Utah.

Much like with the psychic-power and remote-viewing research programs of decades past, it took a few years for the Department of Defense to become aware that money was being wasted on mystical research with no actual useful military applications, and the program was canceled once they did.
 
Well, it is so that a large proportion of US people (present company excluded, of course) are obviously unaware of the small fact that there is such a place as 'outside the US'. So naturally they don't find it mysterious that aliens only land/crash on US territory. ;):p

Hans

From most of the "documentaries" I have seen aliens tend to head straight for Washington DC.
 
From a document headed "Ne Plus Ultra Tippy-Top Secret," found folded inside an Arabic travel brochure on the floor of a men's room stall in a country club in New Jersey:

BURN BEFORE READING

Sir: As requested, here is a partial list of US technological breakthroughs reverse-engineered from crashed UFO's. There are hundreds more, but this list follows your order, "No more than half a page, okay?" As is standard, the rest of the page includes a picture of you as an astronaut.

Respectfully, with tears in my eyes, (NAME REDACTED)

1-Pottytime Putting: a miniature golf green that fits around the base of a standard toilet to allow one to practice putting while relaxing.
2-X-Ray Specs: allows the wearer to see the bones in their hand. NB: they do not allow one to see a woman's (REDACTED) or (REDACTED).
3-Mini Master Baiter: a fully functional rod and reel that folds up to fit inside an ordinary jacket pocket.
4-The Pen is Mightier: Unfortunately, our male testers report it doesn't work. But then the aliens lack primary gender characteristics. (What were we thinking?)
5-The Nauseators: incredibly realistic imitations of dog poo and a puddle of vomit. Put these on the table at a liberal planning session and watch the fun!

More available on request. With tears in our eyes, the OOSSLNHESB.
Official use only by the Office of Secret Stuff like No One Has Ever Seen Before
 
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From a document headed "Ne Plus Ultra Tippy-Top Secret," found folded inside an Arabic travel brochure on the floor of a men's room stall in a country club in New Jersey:

BURN BEFORE READING

Sir: As requested, here is a partial list of US technological breakthroughs reverse-engineered from crashed UFO's. There are hundreds more, but this list follows your order, "No more than half a page, okay?" As is standard, the rest of the page includes a picture of you as an astronaut.

Respectfully, with tears in my eyes, (NAME REDACTED)

1-Pottytime Putting: a miniature golf green that fits around the base of a standard toilet to allow one to practice putting while relaxing.
2-X-Ray Specs: allows the wearer to see the bones in their hand. NB: they do not allow one to see a woman's (REDACTED) or (REDACTED).
3-Mini Master Baiter: a fully functional rod and reel that folds up to fit inside an ordinary jacket pocket.
4-The Pen is Mightier: Unfortunately, our male testers report it doesn't work. But then the aliens lack primary gender characteristics. (What were we thinking?)
5-The Nauseators: incredibly realistic imitations of dog poo and a puddle of vomit. Put these on the table at a liberal planning session and watch the fun!

More available on request. With tears in our eyes, the OOSSLNHESB.
Official use only by the Office of Secret Stuff like No One Has Ever Seen Before

I've made a couple of those for my own use...but how could I have known without access to high level secrets?? Maybe I was abducted??? :confused::jaw-dropp
 
I'm in a conspiracy theory mood this morning!

Panic! :wackyshocked:

What if this were all a decades long manufacture of an enemy both American Conservatives and Liberals could jointly hate?

Let's bring the country together with an even vaguer new enemy that imaginations could run wild demonizing.

Gotta inflate that defense budget!
Gotta have some anti-space alien legislation against hazy threats.
Space-Communism!
Space-Globalism!
Space-Fascism!
Space-Capitalism!
Space-Propaganda, such as ET and Mars Bars!

Deep State having secret deals with the Grays that let them experiment on Humans!

Corporations having secret deals with Alien pharmaceutical companies that make drugs and medications from hormones and other products of the Human endocrine system!

Exotic sex tours for wealthy aliens! Who need Westworld?

Alien Pokémon! Gotta abduct them all!

And oh so many opportunities for Outrage!
 
I am finding the whole thing very weird.

Grusch seems a very credentialed individual and with apparent support from a Colonel.

The suggestion here seems to be that the program Grusch is whistleblowing on was something you'd only know about if you were directly involved with it. Clearance levels wouldnt matter. That seems scary if possible on its own.

I just find it really hard to even imagine it could be true without evidence that is more obvious and clear.

I also don't understand the purpose, as someone wrote somewhere above if he was attempting to divulge information that the governnment would not allow he would have been vanished.

So why is this being allowed to go out? I see other people saying that this is like a primer to see what we make of it before 'revealing' what they have been doing. Though why now would be the time, and not last year or 30 years ago I really don't know. It feels like it is being manufactured. If it is I'd love to know why.
 
I just find it really hard to even imagine it could be true without evidence that is more obvious and clear.

On the other hand I find it very easy to imagine it's not true and he's an attention-seeker, and that the lack of clear and obvious evidence is due to the whole story being make-believe.

That would appear to be the parsimonious explanation.
 
On the other hand, a continuous trickle of experts claiming alien tech is in government possession -- only to have those claims never pan out -- will inoculate the population against the one genuine claim that escapes the aliens' control.

In short, the lack of evidence for aliens proves the existence of aliens, it's irrefutable.
 
On the other hand, a continuous trickle of experts claiming alien tech is in government possession -- only to have those claims never pan out -- will inoculate the population against the one genuine claim that escapes the aliens' control.

In short, the lack of evidence for aliens proves the existence of aliens, it's irrefutable.

Experts, you say. Makes a person wonder....
 
I am finding the whole thing very weird.

I'm finding it very same-old, same-old.

Grusch seems a very credentialed individual...

Because most of us (a) don't measure our professional credentials that way, and (b) don't look too deeply into what sorts of credentials are typical for that kind of work. It's meant to sound uncommonly impressive. His credentials are about right for the job he says he was doing, and not very uncommon. He will have many, many peers.

...and with apparent support from a Colonel.

It's not clear to what extent the colonel's endorsement covers the claims being made. It's very easy to call up someone's current or former superior and ask general questions.

Take, for example, my buddy Trent. I haven't spoken to him in several years. But we worked together at Dept. of Energy on some sensitive subjects. He has Q clearance and a bunch of other clearances. He has military combat experience. In short, his resume is comparable to Grusch's. If someone called me up and asked me generally things like, "Is Trent a trustworthy individual?" I would give him a glowing recommendation. It would be honest and earned. However, if some author juxtaposes those accurate quotes alongside some wacky thing Trent may have said in some context I'm not aware of, it might end up sounding like I'm endorsing the wackiness.

That's how this sort of pseudo-journalism works. Nothing is piecewise false, but the narrative being put together as a whole out of those individual parts just isn't true.

The suggestion here seems to be that the program Grusch is whistleblowing on was something you'd only know about if you were directly involved with it.

Which is the easiest lie to tell.

If I tell you my work with Trent at Dept. of Energy concerned reverse engineering alien technology, and that only a few high-level people worked on it, and that it was strictly a need-to-know project, how would you be able to prove I was lying? Critical people see this as an untestable claim. Uncritical people see this as, "Ooooh! Scary!"

Clearance levels wouldnt matter. That seems scary if possible on its own.

The whole shenanigan is meant to sound plausible while at the same time being impossible to refute. That's what's suspicious. Other people with high clearances can say, "I've never heard of anything like this," and Grusch can double-down and say that it was compartmentalized. But compartmentalized information is even more restrictive than those available as part of general classification levels or codeword clearance. They can't make it irrefutable without making it even less plausible to people who actually know how this stuff works. But that's not the intended audience. They're trying to dupe ordinary lay people.

I just find it really hard to even imagine it could be true without evidence that is more obvious and clear.

It's the same old tap dance they've performed for decades. Since this is allegedly so sensitive and compartmentalized, so they say, actual testable evidence is almost impossible to come by.

I also don't understand the purpose, as someone wrote somewhere above if he was attempting to divulge information that the governnment would not allow he would have been vanished.

No, no one gets "vanished." You simply get arrested, charged, and (if convicted) imprisoned. It's extremely important to the deterrent effect that the consequences of violating secrecy oaths are highly visible to those who might contemplate it.

So why is this being allowed to go out?

Because it's obviously bogus. There are no actual secrets at stake and no secrecy oaths being actually violated. Therefore there's no legal cause of action. There's no law against making something up and claiming it is a highly classified truth, especially when it's the same claims as others have made. And legally speaking, all Grusch can claim to have is hearsay. The First Amendment lets him make up quite a bit of fiction.

If it is I'd love to know why.

Because there's an industry that caters to UFO nuts who eat this stuff up. Nothing that Grusch claims will ever be substantiated, but Grusch and any number of promoters will make a mint on the convention circuit fleecing the gullible rubes.
 

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