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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

maybe AI created the craft, then technically it would not be human made.
 
Dr Steven Novella:

Another UFO Whistleblower

How seriously should we take the claims of David Grusch? He is an airforce veteran and former member of the UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena) task force, which is enough to at least hear him out. He gave an exclusive interview to journalist Ross Coulthart from NewsNation, part of which has been made public. This is sure to stoke the flames of UFO conspiracy theorists, and the media is, of course, loving it. But what is he actually saying, and what is the evidence?...
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Something occurred to me when I hit this bit:

But he goes further to claim that this program has recovered many crashed or abandoned craft...
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Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
 
arthwollipot said:
Dr Steven Novella:

Another UFO Whistleblower

Something occurred to me when I hit this bit:

Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
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They're teenagers.
 
arthwollipot said:
Dr Steven Novella:

Another UFO Whistleblower

Something occurred to me when I hit this bit:

Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
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Really we should be questioning the quality of Grusch's government work, and the suitability of his supervisors for same.

Nobody should be complacent about the the implication that one's premier intelligence services are riddled with people like this and the people that hire them and oversee their work.
 
theprestige said:
Really we should be questioning the quality of Grusch's government work, and the suitability of his supervisors for same.

Nobody should be complacent about the the implication that one's premier intelligence services are riddled with people like this and the people that hire them and oversee their work.
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My guess is that for as long as there is a US Senator personally invested in the idea, people like this will continue to riddle the intelligence services.

Wait - I see that Harry Reid died in 2021. Never mind.
 
arthwollipot said:
Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
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I like the method that the Delta Green tabletop RPG used (modern government conspiracy combined with the Cthulhu Mythos). The Fungi of Yuggoth, from Lovecraft's "The Whisperer in Darkness", realized that using individual hermits and recluses as agents to conceal their operations would no longer work as Humanity's technology advanced and the population increased. They created the Greys, remotely controlled biological "robots", and a fake spacecraft and crashed them in Roswell to make contact with the US government. The "Greys" have since made a deal with the government to conceal alien activity in exchange for technology and intelligence. They occasionally crash additional fake ships or stage encounters for the government to conceal, while the operation also unknowingly conceals the Fungi's actual operations. It also doubles as a psychology experiment, with the Greys gradually revealing a sinister motive, and the Fungi studying to what degree the government will ignore a threat to the world to gain the benefits of the deal.
 
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Without having read a word about this, let me guess:

Guy who appears to be outwardly credible makes outrageous claim and offers dead zero evidence?

Guess the second: have his lesser known doings that indicate he is a raving loon from way back been unearthed yet?
 
I read this some years ago. The government powers that be are allowing rumors to be spread about UFO's in an effort to disguise the fact that what people are seeing are really government experimental aircraft. Several stealth aircraft resemble UFO's and that those planes are actually what people are seeing.

I would be very happy if there really were UFO's somehow in our possession but like everything in many peoples lives its is a good thing that hasn't happened.
 
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