The DeSantis gambit

"Please state clearly that are anti-Nazi."
"I'm not playing political games with you liberal!"

Why are people like this?
 
JoeMorgue said:
"Please state clearly that are anti-Nazi."
"I'm not playing political games with you liberal!"

Why are people like this?
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Because the game never ends. There's always another thing to force someone to deny that they are. The burden of proof shouldn't be in that direction. It isn't in that direction for Democrats.
 
Is there anything the Lincoln Project stands for that's unrepresentative of the Republican party historically?

I think Trump is quite the RINO himself!
 
Venom said:
Is there anything the Lincoln Project stands for that's unrepresentative of the Republican party historically?

I think Trump is quite the RINO himself!
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yeah, they were under the mistaken impression that conservative values was anything more than a smokescreen for the decades long wealth transfer to the rich from the poor and middle class. not that their values are any good any way, but they couldn't stop the actual psychos they dialed up to 11 from taking over the party.

there was never anything there.
 
It's a sad joke that Zig can dismiss the Lincoln project people as RINOs and grifters but thinks Trump truly represents the Republican party.
Problem is - he's right: the Lincoln guys don't grift and hate enough.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's a sad joke that Zig can dismiss the Lincoln project people as RINOs and grifters but thinks Trump truly represents the Republican party.
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I don't see a lot of (non-liberal) people around here saying that Trump truly represents the Republican Party, but maybe you have a cite for that? As for the Lincoln Project, let's remember they made their name as principled Republicans who objected to Donald Trump individually due to his personal flaws, but supposedly remained GOP stalwarts.

No surprise, however, after getting a bunch of donations from liberals in the last few elections (and with the looming possibility that Donald Trump might not be in the 2024 race), they have branched out into opposing DeSantis, even though Ron might be the best chance that the country has of avoiding another four years of Trump. Why? Because it gives them a devil in the general election no matter what. There is always the risk that the Republicans won't cooperate and will nominate someone other than Trump, and they won't get that juicy cash from big liberal donors.

Mission creep of course affects all these PACs--Move On was formed to oppose Clinton's impeachment 25 years ago, and yet it still exists and has power within the Democrats.
 
yeah, they're likely as morally bankrupt as any other republican, that's true. also true that desantis is just doing a doughy and boring trump impersonation, so the lincoln project doesn't really have to change a whole lot either.
 
Brainster said:
I don't see a lot of (non-liberal) people around here saying that Trump truly represents the Republican Party, but maybe you have a cite for that? As for the Lincoln Project, let's remember they made their name as principled Republicans who objected to Donald Trump individually due to his personal flaws, but supposedly remained GOP stalwarts.

No surprise, however, after getting a bunch of donations from liberals in the last few elections (and with the looming possibility that Donald Trump might not be in the 2024 race), they have branched out into opposing DeSantis, even though Ron might be the best chance that the country has of avoiding another four years of Trump. Why? Because it gives them a devil in the general election no matter what. There is always the risk that the Republicans won't cooperate and will nominate someone other than Trump, and they won't get that juicy cash from big liberal donors.

Mission creep of course affects all these PACs--Move On was formed to oppose Clinton's impeachment 25 years ago, and yet it still exists and has power within the Democrats.
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Yes, it's always those "big liberal donors" making it necessary for groups like Lincoln Project to exist. Not an ongoing series of rank turds and frank Nazis in their own ranks, dirtying the name of genuine and legal political conservatism, needing to be flushed all the time.

:sarcasm:
 
Brainster said:
I don't see a lot of (non-liberal) people around here saying that Trump truly represents the Republican Party, but maybe you have a cite for that? As for the Lincoln Project, let's remember they made their name as principled Republicans who objected to Donald Trump individually due to his personal flaws, but supposedly remained GOP stalwarts.

No surprise, however, after getting a bunch of donations from liberals in the last few elections (and with the looming possibility that Donald Trump might not be in the 2024 race), they have branched out into opposing DeSantis, even though Ron might be the best chance that the country has of avoiding another four years of Trump. Why? Because it gives them a devil in the general election no matter what. There is always the risk that the Republicans won't cooperate and will nominate someone other than Trump, and they won't get that juicy cash from big liberal donors.

Mission creep of course affects all these PACs--Move On was formed to oppose Clinton's impeachment 25 years ago, and yet it still exists and has power within the Democrats.
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I'm asking YOU

do YOU really think, as you have expressed, that Trump is more Republican than the Lincoln guys?
Why can you dismiss one but not the other?
 
Ziggurat said:
Bwahahahahaha!

No.

They were grifters, who found a new grift. The fact that all it takes for you to assume someone has integrity is to go after Trump is kind of sad. But it's a key ingredient in the success of their grift.
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Yeah, a bunch of professional conservative campaign workers got together and COMPENSATED themselves for time spent making a bunch of political ads out of funds donated to them. That sure is some heavy grift :rolleyes: Just like, you know, the entirety of Youtube or Patreon...

Totally the same thing as embezzling untaxed funds fraudulently earmarked for charity...from an organization that never actually spent any money on the causes it raised the funds for.
 
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Shadowdweller said:
Yeah, a bunch of professional conservative campaign workers got together and COMPENSATED themselves for time spent making a bunch of political ads out of funds donated to them. That sure is some heavy grift :rolleyes: Just like, you know, the entirety of Youtube or Patreon...

Totally the same thing as embezzling untaxed funds fraudulently earmarked for charity...from an organization that never actually spent any money on the causes it raised the funds for.
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A lot of YouTubers and Patreon people are grifters, I'm not sure your point. I don't think anyone is accusing these people of engaging in fraud per se, it's more pointing out that they are cashing in on anti-MAGA sentiment while not delivering a product of any value.

Rubes who still believe in such fantasies like centrism or cooperation with "sensible" conservatives are ripe targets for being parted with their money in this era of extreme unease with MAGA politics. Grifters can smell the money in the air and come running.
 
Brainster said:
I don't see a lot of (non-liberal) people around here saying that Trump truly represents the Republican Party, but maybe you have a cite for that? As for the Lincoln Project, let's remember they made their name as principled Republicans who objected to Donald Trump individually due to his personal flaws, but supposedly remained GOP stalwarts.

No surprise, however, after getting a bunch of donations from liberals in the last few elections (and with the looming possibility that Donald Trump might not be in the 2024 race), they have branched out into opposing DeSantis, even though Ron might be the best chance that the country has of avoiding another four years of Trump. Why? Because it gives them a devil in the general election no matter what. There is always the risk that the Republicans won't cooperate and will nominate someone other than Trump, and they won't get that juicy cash from big liberal donors.

Mission creep of course affects all these PACs--Move On was formed to oppose Clinton's impeachment 25 years ago, and yet it still exists and has power within the Democrats.
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A cite? How about him being the winner of the GOP primaries for presidential candidate in 2016? Presidential candidate for GOP in 2020, and front-runner for presidential candidate of the GOP in 2024?

Plus the fact that any establishment Republicans who opposed him in the primaries soon ended up back in the fold whenever his impeachments and indictments were announced. The few opponents of Trump pretty much found themselves kicked out of office or primaried by the GOP.

So yeah, Trump is the walking embodiment of the GOP right now.
 
angrysoba said:
A cite? How about him being the winner of the GOP primaries for presidential candidate in 2016? Presidential candidate for GOP in 2020, and front-runner for presidential candidate of the GOP in 2024?

Plus the fact that any establishment Republicans who opposed him in the primaries soon ended up back in the fold whenever his impeachments and indictments were announced. The few opponents of Trump pretty much found themselves kicked out of office or primaried by the GOP.

So yeah, Trump is the walking embodiment of the GOP right now.
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By definition
 
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