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Cont: The Russian invasion of Ukraine part 7

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theprestige said:
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For some bizarre reason, you're trying to downplay the horrific behavior of the Muscovites.
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This is grotesquely FALSE.
You seem to be imagining far more than you are thinking. Please reconsider your reasoning processes. You are misrepresenting my intention so badly it is hard not to wonder if this is malicious deliberation.
 
Analysis of the likely reasons for Russia blowing up the dam (tldw, quite a few, but not very good ones)

And the impact.



 
theprestige said:
Not very good in the sense of not very competent, or in the sense of not very not-evil?
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Not competent.

For example,

It would have been surprising if the main counteroffensive were to have launched downstream of the dam, in part because of the risk of it being blown up. Now that has happened so, once it dies down, there'll be new options for Ukraine. With Russian positions and minefields having cleared themselves.

He did suggest that maybe it indicated Russian panic, thinking that the offensive was going ahead everywhere, and someone lost their nerve... Or just another Russian smoking incident.
 
jimbob said:
Not competent.

For example,

It would have been surprising if the main counteroffensive were to have launched downstream of the dam, in part because of the risk of it being blown up. Now that has happened so, once it dies down, there'll be new options for Ukraine. With Russian positions and minefields having cleared themselves.

He did suggest that maybe it indicated Russian panic, thinking that the offensive was going ahead everywhere, and someone lost their nerve... Or just another Russian smoking incident.
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I'm picturing in my mind's eye a "Keystone Cops" level of dumbfuckery.

Commander: wtf why did you blow the dam?!
Subordinate: uhh you ordered me to sir.
Commander: nooooo you numbskull, I said open the dam, not blow the dam!
 
Meanwhile I saw that Shoigu claimed that Ukraine blew up the dam to halt a Russian offensive.

Which is more of the throw lots of rubbish around to make it harder to spot the truth.
 
jimbob said:
Meanwhile I saw that Shoigu claimed that Ukraine blew up the dam to halt a Russian offensive.

Which is more of the throw lots of rubbish around to make it harder to spot the truth.
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It's very easy to spot the truth with Russia: listen to what they're not saying. They tend to have very specific and narrow boundaries over what they won't say.
 
jimbob said:
Part of a thread on the dam explosion.

https://twitter.com/Info_Rosalie/status/1667039728393232386?s=20

Russian bot accounts were quick to blame Ukraine before most people knew about it happening.
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I've seen it said that you know Moscow did something when the bots and other mouthpieces all come out the gate with the same narrative, before most people have figured out what's going on.

jimbob said:
Meanwhile I saw that Shoigu claimed that Ukraine blew up the dam to halt a Russian offensive.

Which is more of the throw lots of rubbish around to make it harder to spot the truth.
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I'm partial to the theory that you can often tell what the truth is simply by reversing or inverting Moscow's claims. In that case, what Shoigu's really saying is that Moscow did it to halt a Ukrainian offensive.
 
Malicious incompetence aside, blowing the dam presents Ukraine with a pretty little turd they now have to swallow.

They can either call for a general cease fire, so that western disaster relief workers and supplies can enter the country, or they can bear this terrible burden themselves, at the expense of their counter-offensive. Or they can somehow muster the manpower and equipment and supplies themselves, without taking away from the counter-offensive.
 
theprestige said:
Malicious incompetence aside, blowing the dam presents Ukraine with a pretty little turd they now have to swallow.

They can either call for a general cease fire, so that western disaster relief workers and supplies can enter the country, or they can bear this terrible burden themselves, at the expense of their counter-offensive. Or they can somehow muster the manpower and equipment and supplies themselves, without taking away from the counter-offensive.
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Cease fire ? With Russia ?
 
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