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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

Hercules56 said:
No strawman. Acts of violence against people unless they are done in self-defense can put you in prison. And often should.
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Hercules56 said:
If there are certain acts of violence that can never put you in prison, then it seems pretty inappropriate to call them "violence".
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You mean like acts of violence against people done in self-defense? Are you suggesting it is inappropriate to call violence "violence"?
 
Hercules56 said:
I have already provided a appropriate and intelligent and well-established definition of the term "violence".

Your newfangled definitions are cute but irrelevant.

We don't change the meaning of long established terms and words in order to fit our new political agenda of the week.
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Why are you so triggered by what is a very standard use of the word "violence"?
 
Upchurch said:
I've been sitting on it, waiting for the next opening, but here is one more. Posted by the NIH and refers to the newfangled World Report on Violence and Health updated in just this last 1996.
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ok, but maybe we should hear what all the worst people on the internet think too
 
dirtywick said:
ok, but maybe we should hear what all the worst people on the internet think too
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Maybe. I suppose I have been focusing on sources that study and/or try to stop violence. I haven't considered people who really, really want to break Wheaton's law.
 
Upchurch said:
I've provided governmental definitions, legal definitions, medical definitions, and maybe a few other categories in there as well. Whose authority would you accept?
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None, because it's not a matter of authority for me. It's a matter of what definition makes the most sense. I've provided a reason for why I think a definition which includes nonphysical acts is problematic and therefore inferior to one which excludes that. If you have some argument other than authority for why a definition which includes that is better, feel free to make it.

But as with most arguments over definitions, we're not likely to come to an agreement.
 
Ziggurat said:
None, because it's not a matter of authority for me. It's a matter of what definition makes the most sense. .
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Ah, it's just whatever definition you feel fits the conclusion you would you choose to believe. The simple answer, one that requires no work or consideration.

Got it. Thanks.
 
Upchurch said:
Ah, it's just whatever definition you feel fits the conclusion you would you choose to believe. The simple answer, one that requires no work or consideration.

Got it. Thanks.
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When arguing definitions (any, not just this thread) and conflicting definitions are readily available, this seems to be the gist of both sides of the argument.
 
yeah, it feels right to him so it's right. nothing snowflakey about that.
 
Upchurch said:
Ah, it's just whatever definition you feel fits the conclusion you would you choose to believe. The simple answer, one that requires no work or consideration.

Got it. Thanks.
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Not surprisingly, you have it exactly backwards. Taking the definition on authority requires no work or consideration. I gave you a considered reason for why I prefer one definition over another. You have given me no reason other than authority to prefer one definition over another.
 
Yeah every person who wants to treat people badly suddenly remembers they "A GLORIOUS CHAMPION FOR WONDERFUL FREE SPEECH!" when called out on it.

I no longer care about the rights of people who only want to use those rights to hurt other people.

You aren't defending free speech you're defending being horrible and worst of all you want all of us to think that's the same thing.

Or even worse you honestly DO think it's the same thing.
 
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