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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

Upchurch said:
Denying the existence of some of the domestic violence against women is a bold stance. Will you also be laughing in the face of abused women, along with the rest of the world?
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Sounds like you're denying that women experience physical violence in domestic relationships.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah because that's the same thing.
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I'm sure you can see at least one key difference here, but I cannot. In both cases, someone is being asked to be kind so as to avoid unpleasantness, and in both cases that (allegedly costless) imposition involves actively suppressing what that person believes to be true.

The school counselor from the first post (not the original first post) is one example of what happens when someone refuses to play along with the new usage of pronouns. This isn't really about a costless decision for the sake of politeness, at least not in an institutional context such as CU or South Madison Schools. It is about submission to authority, on pain of reprisal.
 
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Upchurch said:
How about the CDC?
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Yeah, that's kind of a bull **** definition too, and for the same reasons I just described. What counts as "psychological aggression" (and thus "intimate partner violence") is entirely subjective. Is that a bug or a feature for you?
 
Hercules56 said:
CDC never states that violence can be a non-physical act in that article.

Sorry.
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It does, actually.

[Intimate Partner Violence] IPV can include any of the following types of behavior:
  • Physical violence is when a person hurts or tries to hurt a partner by hitting, kicking, or using another type of physical force.
  • Sexual violence is forcing or attempting to force a partner to take part in a sex act, sexual touching, or a non-physical sexual event (e.g., sexting) when the partner does not or cannot consent.
  • Stalking is a pattern of repeated, unwanted attention and contact by a partner that causes fear or concern for one’s own safety or the safety of someone close to the victim.
  • Psychological aggression is the use of verbal and non-verbal communication with the intent to harm a partner mentally or emotionally and/or to exert control over a partner.
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NIH?
 
Hercules56 said:
CDC never states that violence can be a non-physical act in that article.

Sorry.
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Actually they do. They state that "Intimate partner violence (IPV) is abuse or aggression that occurs in a romantic relationship." And since you can be verbally aggressive (which their linked PDF says includes name calling), then that counts as intimate partner violence even though it's a nonphysical act.

No word on whether being verbally aggressive counts as violence if you're interacting with a stranger.
 
Hercules56 said:
Again, only specifically lists sexual and physical violence.
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No, verbal abuse is included.

Upchurch is right that lots of these sources categorize nonphysical acts as violence. He's wrong to assume that we should adopt such a definition ourselves on the basis of their authority.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, verbal abuse is included.

Upchurch is right that lots of these sources categorize nonphysical acts as violence. He's wrong to assume that we should adopt such a definition ourselves on the basis of their authority.
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It doesn't call verbal abuse "violence".
 
Hercules56 said:
It doesn't call verbal abuse "violence".
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How about the British Journal of General Practice?
There are many different types of violence that may be inflicted upon people by others with whom they have some kind of relationship, such as (ex-)partners, parents, other family members, teachers, colleagues, neighbours, carers, and spiritual/religious guides.1 Such violence is most often referred to as ‘domestic violence’ or ‘abuse’, and there are specific names for specific types, such as ‘neglect’ and ‘exploitation’. Whatever the type, violence can be of an emotional, physical, sexual, and/or financial nature, or witnessing any of these. We refer to all these types and forms of violence jointly as ‘violence’ in this article.
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Ziggurat said:
Upchurch is right that lots of these sources categorize nonphysical acts as violence. He's wrong to assume that we should adopt such a definition ourselves on the basis of their authority.
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I've provided governmental definitions, legal definitions, medical definitions, and maybe a few other categories in there as well. Whose authority would you accept?
 
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