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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

TragicMonkey said:
Do you think that because you didn't feel a certain way nobody else should?
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As I just posted above I mostly do actually think this way. I fully recognize that this is not the case and I have developed mechanisms to compensate. Carrying on with the example of mistaking a person for something (sex, nationality) that they are not. If I was to make such a mistake and the person got upset I would apologize, but I would not really understand the upset and my internal reaction would be along the lines of "oops, my bad, no biggie", and just carry on.
 
LondonJohn said:
PS: turns out that the author of that blog is an obsessed transphobe:

https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/

Who'd'a thunk it?!
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Then we are back to perjorative labeling, when my good faith posting of the link is querying if adults cavorting with pronouns are raining the dismal mishmash onto wholly innocent children.

(I could easily be perceived as an obsessed transphobe while trying to save civilization).
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
So a person's opinion that transpeople are wrong and evil means and should just shut up somehow shows that schools are forcing children to be trans?

If someone wrote a similar opinion piece about how we should just call children from mixed race marriages mongrels because that was traditional would you accept that too?
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Oh the irony! (Not: this was in fact an entirely cogent analysis of that blog post.)
 
Samson said:
Then we are back to perjorative labeling, when my good faith posting of the link is querying if adults cavorting with pronouns are raining the dismal mishmash onto wholly innocent children.
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Well, if you prefer:

Oh look - it turns out that the person who writes that blog has used the blog as a regular strident mouthpiece for articulating ideas that are in opposition to the concept & medical acceptability of transgender identity and transgender people.

Is that better for you?
 
Steve said:
Some of us are. I genuinely do not understand why someone would get upset about something that would not upset me. 70 years of interactions with other people have taught me that this is so often the case and I have developed social mechanisms to mostly avoid actually doing things that would upset people, but there are so many things that people get upset about that to me are trivially unimportant.

Example: Re d4m10n's example of being mistaken for a member of the opposite sex - I would not find this to be the least little bit upsetting. My reaction would be amusement and I would assume that the other person would fairly quickly recognize their mistake. Going out of my way to correct them would not be a priority. At that point the other person's reaction would likely be some level of embarrassment, which I also do not understand. Why be embarrassed about an honest mistake?
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OK I'll pose the question to you that I posed to d4m10n: Are you able to imagine that an insecure adolescent might be humiliated by being mis-gendered?

This is such a painfully obvious circumstance that I don't get how it is that people don't get it.
 
d4m10n said:
Does your coworker identify as an ethnicity other than the one assigned at birth?
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Might benefit from a reading of DSM-V.

(Hint: one of these two things - i.e. "trans-ethnic identity" and "transgender identity" - is currently (with no sign of change any time soon) viewed by the consensus of world's experts in this field as a mental health disorder. The other is not.)
 
varwoche said:
OK I'll pose the question to you that I posed to d4m10n: Are you able to imagine that an insecure adolescent might be humiliated by being mis-gendered?

This is such a painfully obvious circumstance that I don't get how it is that people don't get it.
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I think it's called "being blinded by an agenda".
 
varwoche said:
OK I'll pose the question to you that I posed to d4m10n: Are you able to imagine that an insecure adolescent might be humiliated by being mis-gendered?
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If my misgendered, you mean missexed (identified as the wrong sex) then yes, of course. I've actually seen this happen in real life.
 
LondonJohn said:
(Hint: one of these two things - i.e. "trans-ethnic identity" and "transgender identity" - is currently (with no sign of change any time soon) viewed by the consensus of world's experts in this field as a mental health disorder. The other is not.)
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A good and useful hint which might make us ask whether the various ethnic and racial analogies given upthread really work here.
 
d4m10n said:
A good and useful hint which might make us ask whether the various ethnic and racial analogies given upthread really work here.
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I think you're missing the point of the comparison. People find casual transphobia rude and annoying the same way they find casual racism or other bigotries annoying and rude, and "debate me, bro" about whatever topic reactionaries are currently upset about is not really something most people are interested in doing as a normal part of their day to day life
 
d4m10n said:
If my misgendered, you mean missexed (identified as the wrong sex) then yes, of course. I've actually seen this happen in real life.
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I can't presume to speak for varwoche....

....but on the face of it, I'd imagine that by "misgendered", (s)he means "misgendered".
 
Hercules56 said:
I think the best way to sum up this thread is "people need to grow thicker skin".

Just because somebody called you the wrong pronoun doesn't mean you have to make believe you are a victim of violence.
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Congrats! You win the award for Least Self Aware!
 
d4m10n said:
A good and useful hint which might make us ask whether the various ethnic and racial analogies given upthread really work here.
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Ehmmmmm.... what now??


To explain: one of the tenets of your "argument" is that you (appear to) see no difference between a transgender friend/co-worker/etc a) requesting that you refer to them by their gender pronouns, and b) requesting that you refer to them as (for instance) "blaa/blooh" or "zis spiritual highness". And from this premise, you then create the strawman that since few or no rational people would accede to the (b) request, nor therefore should rational people accede to the (a) request.
 
d4m10n said:
Does your coworker identify as an ethnicity other than the one assigned at birth?
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Well, they might identify as a US citizen after going trough legal immigration, but by your standards others can keep calling them 'that wog' because they feel only white people deserve to be US citizens. And well, since they never say it to their face it's all fine right?
 
LondonJohn said:
Might benefit from a reading of DSM-V.

(Hint: one of these two things - i.e. "trans-ethnic identity" and "transgender identity" - is currently (with no sign of change any time soon) viewed by the consensus of world's experts in this field as a mental health disorder. The other is not.)
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Trans-ethnic identity is not 'viewed by consensus of world's experts in this field as a mental health disorder'. There is no such DSM-5 diagnosis. You are making things up again.
 
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