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Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

Upchurch said:
I don't know if this is the thread to have conversations that people would rather not have and the fuzziness of biological sex, a taboo subject for some.
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Biological sex in mammals isn't fuzzy, it's binary. Certain sexual characteristics can sometimes be fuzzy when sexual development isn't normal, but that's irrelevant, because the trans debate has basically nothing to do with disorders of sexual development. Absent medical intervention, almost all trans people have normal sexual development.
 
Ziggurat said:
Biological sex in mammals isn't fuzzy, it's binary. Certain sexual characteristics can sometimes be fuzzy when sexual development isn't normal, but that's irrelevant, because the trans debate has basically nothing to do with disorders of sexual development. Absent medical intervention, almost all trans people have normal sexual development.
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Worst part of getting a new job is the Penis Inspection so that all my colleagues know how to address me.
 
Upchurch said:
So the Webster source you provided, which only refers to gender and not sex, is not the definition you are referring to, despite having actually citing it?
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LOL. I think that's what da kidz call a "massive self-pwn" :D



Gen Z starts, depending on who you ask, being born around 1997. That's about 25 years ago and roughly coincides with the start of third-wave feminism, which began including LGBT Rights as part of the feminist cause. Language changes and evolves for many reasons and there is a lot going on there.
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Indeed. And in passing, d4m10n is likely to get something of a surprise when he finds out what words such as "terrific", "fantastic" and "fabulous" meant - and solely meant - as little as 70 years ago........
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Worst part of getting a new job is the Penis Inspection so that all my colleagues know how to address me.
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DNA inspection, surely? We can't really be sure if a penis is genuine -- it could be an elaborate fake, or a real one stolen from someone else, or perhaps a hypnotically-suggested illusion. Some of these pronounists are masters of deception, we really need a very thorough scientic laboratory investigation each time to make sure we don't call someone "Mr" who should be "Ms" because the consequences of calling them the wrong one are, well, just so enormous and dreadful they can't actually be enumerated or explained.
 
LondonJohn said:
LOL. I think that's what da kidz call a "massive self-pwn" :D






Indeed. And in passing, d4m10n is likely to get something of a surprise when he finds out what words such as "terrific", "fantastic" and "fabulous" meant - and solely meant - as little as 70 years ago........
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Oh, maybe you can enlighten me. What is fuzzy about sex?
 
d4m10n said:
Even cisgendered people can be misgendered. Do you find it intimidating when that happens?
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If someone misgendered me, and I corrected them and asked them to refer to me by my correct gender.... and then that person continued deliberately to misgender me...

...I might get offended and somewhat intimidated, yes. I'd most certainly think of that person as a massive onanist.
 
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Upchurch said:
So the Webster source you provided, which only refers to gender and not sex, is not the definition you are referring to, despite having actually citing it?
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I'm not sure we're reading the same definition.

that female one who is neither speaker nor hearer

she is my wife

compare HE, HER, HERS, IT, THEY
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varwoche said:
I get the distinct sense that you're a tad bit clueless about other peoples' sensibilities.
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This is entirely plausible. Can you explain why it is upsetting to be perceived or referred to as the opposite sex, assuming we agree that there is nothing bad about being the opposite sex?

varwoche said:
Interactions on the internet are different than in the "real world".
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University policy against misgendering has to cover both, given the amount of student interactions which take place online.
 
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I'm rather bemused by this new class of bigot (or bigot adjacent group if that hair must simply be split) that has arisen based not (always or entirely) on any actual hatred of this group in question but in this overly macho, reflexive, and frankly perplexing reaction to being told to do something.

Like it does generally seem that people are more or at least equally angry that anyone dared to tell them to do something they then are at transgenders.
 
LondonJohn said:
...I might get offended and somewhat intimidated, yes.
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Why? There is nothing wrong with being a woman, assuming you are a man.

I understand being offended if someone says you're a "wanker" or an "onanist" since those are generally terms of abuse, but "woman" is not.
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
No, I in no way concede that point.
I teach and some of the teenagers I work with have or are transitioning. I see a fraction of what they are going trough and how their decision turns them into far happier individuals, even though bigots and bullies try to push them back into what they feel the kids 'should be'

The empathy and politeness should be that they have made known how they feel and that intentionally mislabeling them each time they see it feels like a 'you are WRONG! your feelings are WRONG!'
They get enough of that in daily life. And even if you do not understand why someone feels like that (and I don't), you can acknowledge that they feel like that and act like a decent human being.
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Hear, hear.
 
d4m10n said:
Why? There is nothing wrong with being a woman, assuming you are a man.
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There's nothing wrong with being a Turk, either, yet I don't think you should expect a warm welcome if you persist in calling an Armenian a Turk. Would you be surprised by that? Would you persist in deliberately calling them the wrong thing after they objected? To make a point?
 
TragicMonkey said:
There's nothing wrong with being a Turk, either, yet I don't think you should expect a warm welcome if you persist in calling an Armenian a Turk. Would you be surprised by that?
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As an Puerto Rican, I've been mistaken for a Mexican American every now and then. I didn't find it hurtful because (unlike some Puerto Ricans) I don't see our respective ethnicities as an unfriendly rivalry.

TragicMonkey said:
Would you persist in deliberately calling them the wrong thing after they objected?
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Not if they were actually Armenian. If they identified as Armenian but were actually raised solely by their Turkish birth mother, there is a good chance I would be confused at their insistence that I stop calling them Turkish and start calling them Armenian. According to posters here I should just be polite because it costs me literally nothing to play along, but I'm not so sure about that.
 
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lionking said:
Oh, maybe you can enlighten me. What is fuzzy about sex?
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I think you might want to re-check the post to which I was responding there. Unless, that is, you feel you have the right to interrogate me on every post made by everyone in this whole thread.
 
d4m10n said:
This is entirely plausible. Can you explain why it is upsetting to be perceived or referred to as the opposite sex, assuming we agree that there is nothing bad about being the opposite sex?
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Seriously? Are you unable to imagine that an adolescent might be mortified by that?
 
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d4m10n said:
As an Puerto Rican, I've been mistaken for a Mexican American every now and then. I didn't find it hurtful
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Do you think that because you didn't feel a certain way nobody else should?

Not if they were actually Armenian. If they identified as Armenian but were actually raised solely by their Turkish birth mother, there is a good chance I would be confused at their insistence that I stop calling them Turkish and start calling them Armenian. According to posters here I should just be polite because it costs me literally nothing to play along, but I'm not so sure about that.
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And what is the cost if you don't comply?
 
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