Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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The Great Zaganza said:
But just wishing for better candidates as long as you actually vote for the better of the two available is not the same as tearing him down.
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Yes, it is - in the minds of most voters there's no difference. And remember how well that policy worked out in 2016.

It's perfectly legitimate, in this case, to complain that both candidates are way, WAAAY older than would be desirable in a POTUS.
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Ageism pure and simple. But Trump is younger than Biden, so that's a good reason to vote for him instead, right?

That's what voters think when you push the age angle. A large proportion of voters today consider themselves 'independent'. They will be weighing up the pros and cons of each candidate to decide which one to vote for.

Biden? OMG look how old he is! Trump? Not so old, so that's one up for him. And look at all these other things that both conservatives and progressives are complaining about with Biden. Such a terrible candidate, but I guess we will have to vote for him anyway.

Trump OTOH - we all know what he is so no surprises there. And he's not our candidate anyway so why bother rehashing old concerns? I'm sure conservatives are just as willing to complain about all of his flaws - not!
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
There are plenty of ways 1) remove her access to central party funds, 2) remove her from preferrment for major committee roles, 3) announce that the party is backing a strong challenger the next election. And that's just for starters.

There's plenty of stuff that a party can do to railroad somebody out if they need to. But the Democrats never do it to the right of their party.
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In Feinstein's district I don't think the Party had that much say. They would have needed a candidate that they could run against her.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
In Feinstein's district I don't think the Party had that much say. They would have needed a candidate that they could run against her.
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Feinstein does not have a district. She is a senator she represents the wholoe state.
Sorry,but you do a lot of damage to your credibillity when you mess up the difference betweene a House Member and a Senator. That is High School Civics stuff.
 
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SO now Debt negotations have broken down.
Now the question becomes will Biden pull the ttigger on the 14th amendment or won't he?
If people can put aside the partisan blinders...foolish hope...it really is a open question as to whether he has that power or not. Most legal scholars are not as open and shut on the issue as people on the internet are...(most of whom know bumpkiss about Constitional Law).
My concern is even if he is ruled to have the power, it is a huge increase of the powers of the POTUS....and the POTUS has too much damn power as it is. Yes, one reason for this is that Congress has abdicated a lot of it;s power to the White House because it gets them off the hook of having to make politically touch decisions...just kick the can to 1600 Pennsyvanis Avenue...but still is has been going on for far too long, and with both parties responsible.
 
dudalb said:
SO now Debt negotations have broken down.
Now the question becomes will Biden pull the ttigger on the 14th amendment or won't he?
If people can put aside the partisan blinders...foolish hope...it really is a open question as to whether he has that power or not. Most legal scholars are not as open and shut on the issue as people on the internet are...(most of whom know bumpkiss about Constitional Law).
My concern is even if he is ruled to have the power, it is a huge increase of the powers of the POTUS....and the POTUS has too much damn power as it is. Yes, one reason for this is that Congress has abdicated a lot of it;s power to the White House because it gets them off the hook of having to make politically touch decisions...just kick the can to 1600 Pennsyvanis Avenue...but still is has been going on for far too long, and with both parties responsible.
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dirtywick said:
the constitution says whatever the supreme court says it says
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<-- this

And, I don't think theres any law precluding SCOTUS justices from shorting US treasuries, therefore I think it will be declared unconstitutional 5-4.
 
dudalb said:
Feinstein does not have a district. She is a senator she represents the wholoe state.
Sorry,but you do a lot of damage to your credibillity when you mess up the difference betweene a House Member and a Senator. That is High School Civics stuff.
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OK, the state then, same thing, the Democrats didn't have a candidate to run against her was noted somewhere upthread.

I know the difference. :rolleyes:

If that lapse of paying attention damages my credibility when I've been here as long as I have been, and have posted a fair amount in the politics forum then that's on them for drawing an absurd conclusion.

What should I conclude about so many typos in your post? That you can't spell? That you had too much to drink when you wrote the post? That you were in a hurry and didn't care?

None of the above because I don't care.


Getting back to this discussion, the Democrats screw up much too often. But griping that they didn't try harder to get Feinstein out of office because of all the stuff we know now seems like people are just whining.
 
dudalb said:
SO now Debt negotations have broken down.
Now the question becomes will Biden pull the ttigger on the 14th amendment or won't he?
If people can put aside the partisan blinders...foolish hope...it really is a open question as to whether he has that power or not. Most legal scholars are not as open and shut on the issue as people on the internet are...(most of whom know bumpkiss about Constitional Law).
My concern is even if he is ruled to have the power, it is a huge increase of the powers of the POTUS....and the POTUS has too much damn power as it is. Yes, one reason for this is that Congress has abdicated a lot of it;s power to the White House because it gets them off the hook of having to make politically touch decisions...just kick the can to 1600 Pennsyvanis Avenue...but still is has been going on for far too long, and with both parties responsible.
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No it's not. Congress passed the budget. Congress doesn't have the authority to then say we're not going to pay the bills.

This is insanity. This should be automatic.
 
As for SCOTUS, it's 50:50 times 9.

Maybe they will rule the legislation that created the debt limit is unconstitutional.

They did legislate all the spending. It's not like the POTUS enacted the spending.

The fight isn't the GOP vs the POTUS. It's the GOP legislators vs the Democratic legislators. If the argument is presented that way instead of as increasing POTUS power then the SCOTUS might conclude the debt limitation legislation is unconstitutional.

I hope it comes down to Biden pulling the trigger. It's time to stop having this fight. Unfortunately this is the wrong SCOTUS so it could backfire but I hope Biden shows them up.
 
None of the above matters, because it depends on Biden taking action toward a significant change, and his core dedication is to not ever taking any action to change anything. This is like speculating about whether a white supremecist might be able to get away with donating to a black social project.
 
acbytesla said:
No it's not. Congress passed the budget. Congress doesn't have the authority to then say we're not going to pay the bills.

This is insanity. This should be automatic.
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congress can decide not to pay the budget it wrote and agreed to pay, i think it's one of those later amendments that nobody really knows
 
dirtywick said:
congress can decide not to pay the budget it wrote and agreed to pay, i think it's one of those later amendments that nobody really knows
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Later amendments as in the Constitution?

If not then we have the Constitution vs legislation. Clearly one supersedes the other.

Biden has a lot of experience. Were I in his shoes I'd tell McCarthy in private, "Look, if I use the 14th A. I will look powerful. If you don't want that then (and I would be specific and use different words) take [a few token exchanges] and pretend you got something for all the fuss."
 
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Well, the Republican witch-hunt ended up concluding that Biden did nothing wrong and have mysteriously been quiet about it... so of course Biden just had to find a way to make himself look guilty on exactly the subject they'd been "investigating", by killing a requirement (started by Trump) for think-tanks to disclose foreign funding.

Meanwhile, Marianne Williamson, whom the non-conservative media are busy pretending doesn't exist, went on Sean Hannity's show and got Hannity's viewers commenting in the response section about how good she was and how bad she made Hannity look by comparison... because it's the lefties who are so bad at making positive impressions across the aisle and the righties/centrists/compromisers/collaborators who are so good at it.
 
Now that the "deal" on the debt ceiling & budget is out, can anybody list all of the good things the Democrats have gotten for us out of all of this "negotiating" so far?
 
Delvo said:
Now that the "deal" on the debt ceiling & budget is out, can anybody list all of the good things the Democrats have gotten for us out of all of this "negotiating" so far?
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Not defaulting and sending the country into an economic freefall?

You might find this interesting:

What's in US debt ceiling deal and who won?

Why has 'compromise' become a dirty word in politics for some?
 
Delvo said:
Now that the "deal" on the debt ceiling & budget is out, can anybody list all of the good things the Democrats have gotten for us out of all of this "negotiating" so far?
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Biden won. McCarthy was afraid of defaulting on the debt, who knew.

Listen to the "Freedom Caucus" clown car crying about McCarthy giving away the store.

Biden interview today, he's keeping up appearances that there was a lot of compromising, wink wink, until the votes are in and the bill passed.

Listen to Lawrence McDonald's piece tonight:
 
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