Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)
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dudalb
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Well, here is the new commercial spot for the GOP/REP/Trump.
It was only a matter of time...
Biden falls on stage
You expect anything different?
Very easy to respond with clips of Trump's more insane rants.
Easy to respond? Totally irrelevant, to those who you might want to respond to. As if Trump's insane rants would shock anyone anymore.
But grandpa falling on stage only makes Biden look more weak and old. It hits right into the 'this guy is getting too old for that' narrative. Which is actually not that far fetched, because he is actually pretty old. And now it might backfire to the Dems that they were unable to find someone that is not prone to being that an easy target.
dudalb
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As compared to the Trump is getting crazier by the day narrative?
I think to all but the faithful , Biden tripping on a sandbag is not as bad as the craziness coming from Trump's lips.
And he was alittle tired, after shaking the hands and returning the salutes of 900 Zoomies.
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Stacyhs
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Tripping on something can happen to anyone, regardless of age. It had nothing to do with his age. Surprisingly and shockingly, even Trump seems to recognize that after his own 2020 West Point commencement 'slippery ramp' incident.
“Well, I hope he wasn’t hurt,” Trump said during one of several appearances in Iowa on Thursday, after a member of the crowd informed him of the incident to a chorus of cheers.
“You gotta be careful about that because you don’t want that, even if you have to tiptoe down the ramp,” he added.
“That’s too bad,” Trump said, adding, “That’s a bad place to fall. … That’s not inspiring.”
“Well, I hope he wasn’t hurt,” Trump said during one of several appearances in Iowa on Thursday, after a member of the crowd informed him of the incident to a chorus of cheers.
“You gotta be careful about that because you don’t want that, even if you have to tiptoe down the ramp,” he added.
“That’s too bad,” Trump said, adding, “That’s a bad place to fall. … That’s not inspiring.”
dudalb
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Whoever was responsible for the placing of that Sandbag at the Academy is probably going through the tortures of the damned at the hands of his sueprior officers right now......
The USAFA was embarassed by it, and the Commandant is not happy about that,...
The USAFA was embarassed by it, and the Commandant is not happy about that,...
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dudalb
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Whoever was responsible for the placing of that Sandbag at the Academy is probably going through the tortures of the damned at the hands of his sueprior officers right now......
It was an embarassment to the acedemy, and the Acedemy does not like to be embrassed.
It was an embarassment to the acedemy, and the Acedemy does not like to be embrassed.
Stacyhs
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Biden has arthritis which is common in older people which is why he walks rather stiffly.
Stacyhs
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Fast Eddie B
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I’m 73. In fairly good shape. Still ride bicycles and motorcycles*, eat well and do some moderate weight training.
Starting at 65, doctors often administer a Medicare Wellness Test. It includes drawing a clock, doing some mental math, remembering some words, and some questions.
One of those questions is, “Have you had any falls in the last year?”. To be honest, my answer is more and more often a non-zero amount. Dumb things, like stepping backwards not remembering there was a mulch pile right there (just last week). Stepping off a ladder awkwardly. Slipping in the snow. Usually without injury, other than to my pride.
Point is, as we get older a gradual decline in balance, strength and coordination are all inevitable. We can slow the decline with exercise and good health practices, but that’s about it. Look around at the average 80 year old, and I think Biden is well ahead of the curve, overall.
*I’m currently in VA with buddies at a Blue Ridge Parkway Rally. And virtually all the attendees are 60’s and 70’s. Beautiful riding country. You just gotta know your limitations!
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Stacyhs
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I'm 69 so I know the test you're talking about. Dumb test that includes 'can you bathe/shower without help?' AT 65! The questions really pissed me off so I told them not to insult me with the stupid thing again.
Fast Eddie B
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Sure. But some folks are getting quite decrepit at 65, so I see no harm in asking.
And not all of the exercises are trivially easy. One was counting backwards from 100 by 7’s. I don’t know what the standard for “passing” is, but 93 should be a piece of cake. 3 and 4 more get me to 86, and the jump to 79 seems easy. You can take it from there, but with age keeping track of the numbers in your head gets a bit harder. At least it does for me. I assume that not getting even 93 would certainly indicate a cognitive decline.
Someone pointed out a trick: subtract 10 and add 3 back in. That seems easier for a lot of folks.
Stacyhs
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All my friends are around my age and not one of them is getting anywhere near 'decrepit'.
Delvo
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Trump's reaction to Biden's fall shows that he doesn't consider Biden a threat.
Stacyhs
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I don't think so. Trump couldn't mock Biden's trip on a sandbag when he had to be helped down a ramp that he claims was "very long and steep,” "ice-slick," and that he "ran down" the last ten feet. None of which is true. By not mocking Biden's fall, he justifies his own slow and aided walk down a ramp.
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He must not have fully caught on that he doesn't need to worry about that. His voters will gleefully mock and deride others for the very same things he does, while ignoring it from him.
Stacyhs
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Of course his supporters will, but I don't think he can ignore it for himself. Remember, he's a narcissist. By pretty much handwaving it away for Biden, he's doing it for himself, too.
Delvo
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I watched both that video and another one of his from the next day which popped up as a recommendation when I was watching this one. His list of what he calls good things resulting from this agreement is this:
- Debt ceiling suspended for remainder of this Presidential term
- Lauren Boebert doesn't like point 1
- Ralph Norman doesn't like point 1
The rest of what he said was extremely... slow... and pausey... fluff.
He claims that Biden was brilliant to claim that he wouldn't negotiate because then McCarthy would think of getting Biden to negotiate as a victory and sell it as such to other Republicans, and of course we all know that only losers think getting to negotiate is winning. I haven't seen McCarthy or any other Republican actually do anything like what O'Donnel claims here at all, but, even if they have and I've missed it, it's not a result of the contents of the agreement; it's a story about how the agreement was reached.
In the later video I also watched, he also brought up something Hakeem Jeffries had done to try to get a clean vote on just the debt ceiling alone (a discharge petition which would have needed 5 Republican votes), which supposedly had scared McCarthy into taking this agreement now so he wouldn't need to face that instead. Whether that really did cause the alleged reaction in McCarthy or not, it's not a result of the contents of the agreement; it's a story about how the agreement was reached. (And it's an action taken by Hakeem which O'Donnell is using to praise Biden.)
He also read a list of Greene's latest insanitweets and gleefully anounced that none of that obviously impossible stuff would be done, as if any of it ever would have before either. But Biden & McCarthy didn't negotiate over that either. Nothing for or against any of it is in there in any way. It has no relevance to anything. Everybody in the government just ignores her raving. This one is so thoroughly unconnected to anything anywhere near the subject that it just reeks of desperation for anything to pad the video.
Then avoiding the default isn't an achievement or a failure for either of them. It's just both of them getting something they both wanted.
But what about the rest of the agreement, the stuff that isn't just agreeing to not just quit paying bills?
- "Pay-Go" (Pay As You Go), which was originally just a legislative thing prohibiting any additional spending bills unless the equivalent is cut somewhere else, is now extended to executive actions. What was once just another excuse for Congress to never do any good is now also just another excuse for Biden never to do any good either.
- Cuts to all non-military discretionary spending; 0% growth in 2024 and 1% growth in 2025 in an environment of 6-8% inflation; also notice the "non-military" exception there
- Work requirements for SNAP: age limit is moved from 50 to 54. (Hakeem once said there was no way at all that they'd ever allow this; then he called it "reasonable".) Also, this can't be about saving money & balancing the budget & such, because each dollar of SNAP saves multiple dollars in health care. It's deliberately spending more money toward the Republican goal of making poor people's lives worse.
- The IRS funding boost, not to make the IRS bigger than it was but just to counter recent losses, got cut from 80 billion $ down to 60. That's not just failing/refusing to do a planned in crease; it's preserving more of the loss that was already the starting point. (And it's another thing Democrats said they wouldn't allow.) Lawrence O'Donnell bizarrely claimed that this was a marvelously stupendously brilliant Biden lap around his hapless foes "to appear to cut spending" by allowing "so-called cuts" because the money not sent to the IRS could be redistributed to other things. But those cuts to everything non-military just are what they are. There's nothing in there about redistributing money so one thing's budget isn't really its budget and it can have more from something else and thus sneakily go above its actual budget. If that were reality, no department or program would ever really have an actual budget because they'd all just be arbitrarily sharing a single pool of money that can always be shuffled around on a whim, which has obviously never been how anything works. Worse yet, even using that "what to do with the saved money" framing at all is accepting the Republican premise that cutting the IRS saves money, when it's known to reduce revenue by enabling more rich tax cheats to get away with more. So not only is this deliberately spending more money toward the Republican goal of making rich criminals richer, but he's also using a Republican fallacy to argue for it.
- Retrieving federal money that was sent to states for COVID-19 expenses but not spent... this one actually makes sense. But, for this to belong on a list of good things Biden got for us by playing chess in a number of dimensions equal to the number of hairs in Chuck Norris's beard, it needs to be something Republicans were against. But whey weren't; I've heard them saying they wanted to do this before. So either this is Biden losing if he didn't already want this, or, if he did, then at best it's just both sides agreeing on what both sides wanted.
- The agreement makes approval processes for fossil fuel projects faster and easier by speeding up some steps and cutting out others.
- Remember the student debt partial cancellation that Biden chose to use the weakest argument for so it would probably get shot down in court anyway? While payments have been suspended, interest has not been accumulating. Now it will because of this agreement. The amount is too puny on the federal scale to make any different to the budget, but it's pretty significant bad news for the people who have the debt, so, again, this can't be about federal financial responsibility; it can only be about deliberately making the peasants' lives worse, nothing else.
- Joe Manchin gets a gas pipeline that he's tried to get into some other bills before.
Given the fact that the Republicans got what they wanted on every single solitary actual item in the thing and nobody who's opposed to them got anything at all anywhere, the statement "Biden won" can only be accurate if Biden's idea of "winning" is giving everything away to the Republicans... which I agree is clearly true, but it's not what I was asking for in my post which I quoted at the beginning of this one. I asked what "we" got that's good for "us".
That brings up something else really odd about O'Donnell's gushing over this agreement's wonderfulness. They know that plenty of politicians and other people connected to them watch their shows. If not gloating in the Republicans' faces about how badly you just already beat them lest they change their minds and shoot the deal down is so important, as the O'Donnells of political punditry say it is themselves, then why are they doing exactly that? If hearing the other side gloating might cause the alleged losers to change their votes, then the gloaters need to shut up to avoid ruining it, and, if it's OK for them to talk about, then it's OK for Biden to talk about. It's like he himself doesn't buy the principle he's selling, but just says it because it's another way to keep up the Biden worship ceremony. Is his show always like this, or does it only get this way when there's a particular new pig to put lipstick on?
He makes no effort to avoid that thing with the ramp. He brings it up himself to crack sarcastic jokes about it for his audience to clap & cheer in response to it. To him & them, that story is not a story about Trump not being able to independently manage walking down a ramp; it's a story about Democrats freaking out over a whole lot of nothing because they're just so hateful & hostile that it's melted their brains and taken away their ability to handle anything in the real world. It's a subject that inherently makes them look pathetic, not him.
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Skeptic Ginger
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Get up on the wrong side of the bed did you, Delvo?
Biden Signs Debt Ceiling Bill
Well, it's a done deal.
I don't know why we have to borrow so much. It looks like you could cut a few programs,
like these.
I had to reject the "Imputed Rents On Impudent Economists" as unreal, but
I think one could argue for cutting out some of the other 1.5 trillion dollars
spent on these programs.
Hm. Where'd I put that list?
Well, it's a done deal.
I don't know why we have to borrow so much. It looks like you could cut a few programs,
like these.
I had to reject the "Imputed Rents On Impudent Economists" as unreal, but
I think one could argue for cutting out some of the other 1.5 trillion dollars
spent on these programs.
Hm. Where'd I put that list?
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