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Interesting article from K. Hymowitz https://twitter.com/KayHymowitz/status/1650522326771925003
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In a rational society you would hope that was the case but as we can see you really can and it will and has happened.Clearly, yes.
Minors are another matter, but we cannot sensibly complain that the evidence base for youth gender medicine is sorely lacking (it is) and then make it illegal to gather any more evidence.
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Would you consider this definition of transgender, that it includes (but is not necessarily confined to) people who have had surgery to reassign their sex, and live as women (feminine clothes etc...) to be transgender?
I expect the issue of legally curtailing youth gender medicine will eventually be hashed out in our federal courts.In a rational society you would hope that was the case but as we can see you really can and it will and has happened.
There is nothing emotive or bombastic about what I am saying. I am asking if you understand the word “transphobia” and if not then do you understand homophobia or xenophobia?
Transphobia is a strong dislike or prejudice against transgender people qua people.
Some good examples of transphobia would be to deliberately misgender
This is very frustrating because I was told that transphobia does not exist.
Clearly, yes.
Minors are another matter, but we cannot sensibly complain that the evidence base for youth gender medicine is sorely lacking (it is) and then make it illegal to gather any more evidence.
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Sure. Let’s go with that. Would you accept that they are transgender then?
You'll probably have to be more specific. It seems to me that "sex-based rights" is itself a slogan which you will have to explain.
I disagree.
For example, the handful of cases where the female victim of a rape perpetrated by a male who identifies as a "woman". In those cases, using "gender identity pronouns" is performative nonsense. Compelling a victim to refer to their male rapist as "she" is absurd and offensive. It is also in direct contradiction to the material reality of the person's sex, as well as hundreds of thousands of years of evolution which has granted us an extremely good ability to discern the sex of other people from visual scan of physical cues associated with our sexually dimorphic species.
Sooo, when told that X is not transphobia, I wanted to find out if anyone agrees that it actually exists.
What I got was essentially denial that transphobia existed...
I made a number of posts asserting that I think transphobia is real.
So, after that it became "what is transgender"?
I find it a bit irritating that having answered the questions that were asked of me I am then asked why I am answering the questions.
So if you agree with me on the specific point, you can stop arguing with me on that point. Will you acknowledge and accept that?
So you don't think its rude or intolerant to refer to a transwoman as "sir"?
It depends. In some many it would probably be considered rude - but rudeness is NOT transphobia. In some cases, it would be a true reflection of one's perception.
As for intolerant, again, it depends. Is it intolerant for a rape victim to refer to their male attacker as "he"? Is it less intolerant to force a victim to refer to an obviously male rapist as "she"?
At the end of the day, nobody is required to be polite. Even with the requirement of civility here on ISF, there are a whole lot of people who are not polite. And forced politeness in opposition to real perception is compulsion.
Look, I don't perceive of Eddie Izzard as being in any fashion a woman. I don't even perceive Eddie Izzard as being feminine. Eddie is a male that enjoys wearing female-typical clothing and make-up. If I'm face-to-face with Izzard, I'll call them by name. Out of simple decency, I would attempt to avoid any mention of their sex at all. But if they aren't in the room, I see zero reason why I should be expected to refer to them as "she". Eddie Izzard is a male, and when I look at them, I see a male.
It depends. In some many it would probably be considered rude - but rudeness is NOT transphobia. In some cases, it would be a true reflection of one's perception.
OK, run with that as a (narrow) definition of transgender.
What do you mean by transphobia?
Transphobia is a strong dislike or prejudice against transgender people qua people.
Some good examples of transphobia would be to deliberately misgender or to argue that they are weird for being transgender or to engage in violent rhetoric about transgender people (by that I mean where physical violence is invoked) or, in some extreme cases to commit actual physical violence against them because they are transgender.
I think that is a good definition to go on with, would you disagree with it? I would be happy to modify it if a good case for doing so is made, but if you think that it still does not count then I would be interested to know what, if anything would.
It has less to do with perception than it does with intent. Misgendering or deadnaming on accident is rude, but not transphobic. Doing it intentionally is, indeed, transphobic.
I suggest you take this argument up with whoever told you it doesn't exist, rather than trying to beat all of us about the head and shoulders with this.
I understand the hypothetical and conceptual meaning of the term. That conceptual basis not how it is actually applied in real life.
So... What meaning do YOU use for the word transphobia? Is that meaning consistent with the situations in which YOU use the term?
I WAS taking it up with people who said it. And while doing so, lionking decided to start sticking his oar into the conversation. You people can always choose not to insert yourself into a conversation if you think it has nothing to do with you. It’s actually the height of rudeness to eavesdrop and then declare “NOT ME! I am INNOCENT!” Okay, you are innocent. Then stay out of it.