jeremyp
Philosopher
If correcting your misreading of my posts is being obtuse, I’m happy to be obtuse all day long.
Split Thread Atheism and lack of belief in the afterlife
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It's actually the opposite. Christians have been found to face death with more anxiety than the non-religious, not less.
jeremyp
Philosopher
They are not completely the same. Some adults believe the god exists. That alone makes gods a topic worthy of discussion.
I always ask which god since there are so many different ones. The question is meaningless without more information.
And as demonstrated we know the Abrahamic gods, note there are many different gods in that phrase, as defined by those religions do not exist as we have knowledge that contradicts those religions' definitions. All you do is change the definition those religions use to create your p-god, your p-god is not one of the gods those religions claim exist.
You need to put your mind back in time to when these definitions were being created. Back then they were really considering a god which facilitated an afterlife, and there was an unstated assumption built into the definition which was "in this life", after you died you could know that a god existed. In the end the word agnostic came about because of intellectuals wanting to avoid the word faith. It was a form of intellectual snobbery.
There is no such thing as strong/weak/tepid atheism, it's nothing more than a repeat of the original agnostic malarkey. An atheist is simply someone who when asked "which god do you believe in?" Answers with " none".
I wonder if we would find a difference between RCC followers and most of the protestant followers? A devout RCC would know if the correct spells are followed they are going to heaven whereas for most devout protestants will think they are going to be judged on their works, and over the course of a life I doubt there are many that haven't done religiously dubious acts.
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psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
I didn't expect you to start being honest now but "many" Abrahamic gods? WOW.
Of course, the idea that I changed the definition of "those religions" is also false.
You think the gods worshipped by Jews (various flavours), Muslims (ditto), Orthodox Christians (and again), Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Wee Frees, Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are identical?
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
Who said "identical"?
Even if the various religions have differing opinions on the nature of this God, they all worship the God that was first described in the Talmud.
We've been through this before and I've given you examples of how the various religions we put under the umbrella of Abrahamic have different gods and contradict each other's definition. The biggest difference that I would have thought was general knowledge is of course Jesus. I've also gone through and shown how the definition of the RCC god is contradicted by the knowledge we now have.
I know the god of the RCC does not exist, I know the god of the methodist chapel I was brought up in does not exist.
And as I said all you do is handwave that away and then come up with your very own p-god and try to claim that is the god the religious folk claim exists by ignoring all that the religions themselves say about their gods.
You have you own definition of god which is why when I talk about your god I distinguish it from the thousands of other gods folk have and do claim exist by labelling it p-god so we don't get "confused" about which god we are talking about.
Your p-god is not any of the gods of the Abrahamic religions.
Are you saying Christians don't believe that Jesus is god? Your knowledge of religion is not as complete as you may think it is.
If they’re not identical, then they are different.
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
So if two or more people have different opinions of me does that mean that there are two or more psionl0s?
psionl0
Skeptical about skeptics
That's because there is no p-god. That is just a lie you invented since I proved you wrong and that the RCC believes that God created the universe.
Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God (although the RCC has a slightly more complicated view).
Could you address what I said, not what you’d like me to have said? I said the gods are different, not the opinions of them. One requires animal sacrifices, another is three beings in one, another requires regular fasting, another promises whole planets in the next life to their followers.
Perhaps in your p-reality....
Glad you've dropped your view that the Abrahamic religions all have the same god. (ETA: And you have the phrase wrong - Jesus is "God the Son")
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Pretending there's no difference is a core part of apologetics, same as pretended "unanswered" and "unanswerable by design" are the same thing.
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No, they all worship constructs that they believe to be described in various ancient Judaic texts, or rather, copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of those texts. But they've invented very different characters based on those sources, ranging from warm, fuzzy and loving to capricious, draconian and homicidally jealous. Or are you really going to claim that the Jesus of the Unitarians is the same as the Jesus of the White Nationalists? Such varied interpretation is easy because their gods are imaginary constructs.