Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

bruto said:
That account makes it clear that this was in the past. What does that have to do with your current situation?
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I am rising from my own ashes like a phoenix. Actually the first vision the spirit world gave me was exactly that. A phoenix, and I am currently doing a painting of it.
 
Scorpion said:
Never mind embracing Muslims. I spend some of my time on twitter trying to liberate them. They clearly follow a lying , false prophet who taught them to fear God, in order to enslave their minds and fight his battles for him.
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As I mentioned, you do not believe your own professed belief system, as otherwise you'd see that their actions are clearly ment to teach them a lesson in their circle of reincarnation and they need to follow Islam this time around.

But, like all of those following religions, you are hypocritical and only want to apply what you like in a way you like and then try to justify your own deviation from what you profess to believe.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
As I mentioned, you do not believe your own professed belief system, as otherwise you'd see that their actions are clearly ment to teach them a lesson in their circle of reincarnation and they need to follow Islam this time around.

But, like all of those following religions, you are hypocritical and only want to apply what you like in a way you like and then try to justify your own deviation from what you profess to believe.
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They don't need to follow Islam. They have been duped and brainwashed. Many of them from birth. I am trying to liberate them from fear of hellfire.
 
Scorpion said:
...help from people who know I am not crazy for believing in my own immortal spirit.
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Straw man. A belief in an immortal soul doesn't qualify as a symptom of mental illness. But many of your other anecdotes are clear manifestations of schizophrenia for which you were ostensibly correctly diagnosed but for which you have refused treatment. Your resistance to that treatment does not absolve you of its apparent effects.
 
Scorpion said:
What if they were wrong?
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But what if they were right?

You're not open to the possibility that they may have been right. You refuse to even consider it. You are absolutely convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are right and they are wrong.

This is not a healthy approach, Scorpion. We should always be open to the possibility that we are wrong. Always. To think otherwise is hubris.

There are alternative explanations for what you have experienced in your life that you have rejected because you don't accept that it's possible for you to be wrong.
 
Scorpion said:
I am rising from my own ashes like a phoenix. Actually the first vision the spirit world gave me was exactly that. A phoenix, and I am currently doing a painting of it.
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Good for you if it works but the point I'm making is that if someone suggests you are unwilling to consider you are wrong, your story of something you once did and now disavow is the very opposite of a good argument against the suggestion.
 
Scorpion said:
Your equation, post 527 where you say there are options A and B. Pixel42 gave no option B.
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I stated my conclusion based on what you have told me, and what the knowledge and understanding of how the world works that has been accumulated over centuries of scientific investigation and discovery have told me.

All conclusions are provisional, in that new objective evidence could one day emerge which would cause them to be re-examined. I have looked at the evidence and arguments presented by the likes of Russell Targ with an open mind many times over many years, and I have invited you and others like you to present any such evidence I might have missed. I have never yet been given any good reason to think that my conclusions on the subject of the paranormal and the supernatural need to be re-examined.
 
Scorpion said:
Never mind embracing Muslims. I spend some of my time on twitter trying to liberate them. They clearly follow a lying , false prophet who taught them to fear God, in order to enslave their minds and fight his battles for him.
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So what, let's just talk about the Muslim terrorists. According to you the people being animated by a spirit killed by the terrorists either deserved to die, or the spirit was being taught a lesson already decided by your karma angels. Either way the terrorists are doing God's will, as you have described your concept of god, since they are doing your God's will why are you opposing them?
 
Pixel42 said:
I stated my conclusion based on what you have told me, and what the knowledge and understanding of how the world works that has been accumulated over centuries of scientific investigation and discovery have told me.

All conclusions are provisional, in that new objective evidence could one day emerge which would cause them to be re-examined. I have looked at the evidence and arguments presented by the likes of Russell Targ with an open mind many times over many years, and I have invited you and others like you to present any such evidence I might have missed. I have never yet been given any good reason to think that my conclusions on the subject of the paranormal and the supernatural need to be re-examined.
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You have reached your conclusions, and I have reached mine. You could not possibly convince me all my experience is invalid. If its any comfort to you every psychiatrists I ever saw wrote in notes they never though I would see that I was delusional. I can go to another house in the same town, and hear mediums converse with the spirit world. I opted to believe in my own immortal spirit. Not in the scientific theory we are just a bag of chemicals. I fought that war and won it. I know my mind is free with or without anti psychotic drugs. I can control my thoughts either way, and have a lifetime of doing it to prove it. That is because consciousness is not a product of the brain. It is the immortal spirit using the brain, and consciousness filters down into it through the etheric counterpart.

Mind over matter is a real thing.
 
Darat said:
So what, let's just talk about the Muslim terrorists. According to you the people being animated by a spirit killed by the terrorists either deserved to die, or the spirit was being taught a lesson already decided by your karma angels. Either way the terrorists are doing God's will, as you have described your concept of god, since they are doing your God's will why are you opposing them?
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No! they are not doing Gods will. Not in the tiniest little bit. They are acting out of free will, and they will create karma by doing so. I cannot possible say if every victim deserves it. But in a world of unevolved souls who kill people it is likely there will be many innocent victims who suffer unnecessarily. If that happens to them they are compensated by favorable circumstances in future incarnations. I do not think the angels of karma can control every little thing that happens to people. They just choose lives that will ultimately benefit the souls of the people they guide into their incarnations.
 
arthwollipot said:
But what if they were right?

You're not open to the possibility that they may have been right. You refuse to even consider it. You are absolutely convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are right and they are wrong.

This is not a healthy approach, Scorpion. We should always be open to the possibility that we are wrong. Always. To think otherwise is hubris.

There are alternative explanations for what you have experienced in your life that you have rejected because you don't accept that it's possible for you to be wrong.
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I have no time to doubt my conclusions about my experiences any more. I was full of self doubt for most of my life, and I stopped painting years ago because of negative thinking. But I started again recently, and this time I am not going to doubt myself. I have wasted enough of my life thinking negatively, and I want to use what time I have left to paint beautiful pictures.
 
JayUtah said:
Straw man. A belief in an immortal soul doesn't qualify as a symptom of mental illness. But many of your other anecdotes are clear manifestations of schizophrenia for which you were ostensibly correctly diagnosed but for which you have refused treatment. Your resistance to that treatment does not absolve you of its apparent effects.
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Yea! that's the sort of thing a psychiatrist would say. Which is why I no longer listen to them.
 
Scorpion said:
You have reached your conclusions, and I have reached mine. You could not possibly convince me all my experience is invalid. If its any comfort to you every psychiatrists I ever saw wrote in notes they never though I would see that I was delusional. I can go to another house in the same town, and hear mediums converse with the spirit world. I opted to believe in my own immortal spirit. Not in the scientific theory we are just a bag of chemicals. I fought that war and won it. I know my mind is free with or without anti psychotic drugs. I can control my thoughts either way, and have a lifetime of doing it to prove it. That is because consciousness is not a product of the brain. It is the immortal spirit using the brain, and consciousness filters down into it through the etheric counterpart.



Mind over matter is a real thing.
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Your closed mindedness is well expressed.

The difference between your closed mindedness and Pixel42's open mindedness is clearly demonstrated.
 
Scorpion said:
No! they are not doing Gods will. Not in the tiniest little bit. They are acting out of free will, and they will create karma by doing so. I cannot possible say if every victim deserves it. But in a world of unevolved souls who kill people it is likely there will be many innocent victims who suffer unnecessarily. If that happens to them they are compensated by favorable circumstances in future incarnations. I do not think the angels of karma can control every little thing that happens to people. They just choose lives that will ultimately benefit the souls of the people they guide into their incarnations.
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Sorry but according to you bad things happen to people for two reasons, one is that they deserve it to happen and two is because your karma angels have decided it is a lesson someone needs to learn.

The terrorist may indeed be setting themselves up for "deserved" punishment in another incarnation but still they are doing your gods work.

The only other option is for you to drop your belief about the karma angels and people deserving punishment and say that people suffer for no reason at all.
 
Scorpion said:
You have reached your conclusions, and I have reached mine. You could not possibly convince me all my experience is invalid.
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I have never said your experiences are invalid, only that you are misinterpreting them and basing conclusions on them which they do not support.

If its any comfort to you every psychiatrists I ever saw wrote in notes they never though I would see that I was delusional.
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No, it's no comfort to me. It makes me sad.

I can go to another house in the same town, and hear mediums converse with the spirit world. I opted to believe in my own immortal spirit. Not in the scientific theory we are just a bag of chemicals. I fought that war and won it. I know my mind is free with or without anti psychotic drugs. I can control my thoughts either way, and have a lifetime of doing it to prove it. That is because consciousness is not a product of the brain. It is the immortal spirit using the brain, and consciousness filters down into it through the etheric counterpart.

Mind over matter is a real thing.
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You've found a way of living with your problems that works for you, and I'm genuinely pleased for you. It's only when you come here and insist that your solution is something we should all accept as The Ultimate Truth, when it clearly isn't, that we have a problem.
 
Scorpion said:
Yea! that's the sort of thing a psychiatrist would say. Which is why I no longer listen to them.
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But you refuse to listen to them not because they are wrong, but because they do not tell you what you want to hear. Pure narcissistic hubris.
 
Scorpion said:
Like the rest of us he has free will.
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Not according to you.

Remember what you've said?

All souls have a purpose for each of their lives which is determined by the Angels or Karma prior to them being reincarnated. If a soul needs to suffer, then another soul needs to cause that suffering.

For example, according to your beliefs, a soul that was physically tortured during one of it's mortal lives was placed in the situation because the Angels of Karma determined that it needed to suffer. That means that the same Angels also had to reincarnate a soul to DO the torturing.

It's all determined ahead of time.

How is that free will?

You were forced to suffer mental anguish at your workplace right? The people/souls that did that to you were put there because THEY needed to fulfill the suffering that your soul needed as predetermined by the Angels of Karma.
 
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Scorpion said:
I do not believe the Christian theology that when we die we are judged and either go to heaven or hell for eternity. To me such an idea has injustice built into it.
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Compared to your system?

If I believe what you say, I am bound to suffer in varying degrees for some of my "thousands of lives" in order to reach godliness. I will also have to cause others to suffer in varying degrees as determined by Angels of Karma.

There's no injustice there?

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Scorpion said:
No! they are not doing Gods will. Not in the tiniest little bit. They are acting out of free will, and they will create karma by doing so. I cannot possible say if every victim deserves it. But in a world of unevolved souls who kill people it is likely there will be many innocent victims who suffer unnecessarily. If that happens to them they are compensated by favorable circumstances in future incarnations. I do not think the angels of karma can control every little thing that happens to people. They just choose lives that will ultimately benefit the souls of the people they guide into their incarnations.
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What makes you think that (the whole karmic angels thing)? Did the voices in your head tell you that or is it what the mediums say and you trust them because you believe you have seen proof of their powers or is it just an idea you heard from someone else and you liked it?

Genuine question - I understand (though don't agree with) why you think telepathy is real, that something puts pictures in your head to paint* and that medium's can talk to dead spirits and give you previously unknown information about your family. I'm not clear on how that turns into karmic angels etc - apologies if I missed the connection.

*Since you believe in telepathy, why couldn't it be a neighbour, co-worker, whoever that put the picture in your head. Why have you concluded it's an angel / god?
 
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