Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

US Intelligence got at least 100x more money to look into ESP etc. than Moscow ever spend.

What's your point? ESP would be huge if true. The US government was absolutely right to conduct an exhaustive investigation. And the end result of that investigation is that the global military-industrial complex pretty much universally agrees that ESP has no practical applications.

And yet here we are, with Scorpion telling us ESP is totally real. I'm to the point where, okay, fine: Scorpion says it's real, it's real. But can Scorpion do anything useful with it? Nobody else can. Not even US Intelligence could make ESP useful, not even by throwing a brazillion dollars at it. Even fusion power has made more progress than that.
 
What's your point? ESP would be huge if true. The US government was absolutely right to conduct an exhaustive investigation. And the end result of that investigation is that the global military-industrial complex pretty much universally agrees that ESP has no practical applications.

And yet here we are, with Scorpion telling us ESP is totally real. I'm to the point where, okay, fine: Scorpion says it's real, it's real. But can Scorpion do anything useful with it? Nobody else can. Not even US Intelligence could make ESP useful, not even by throwing a brazillion dollars at it. Even fusion power has made more progress than that.

I have not answered all the above posts yet. But I have to tell you that I am absolutely certain the spirit world is currently inspiring me to do paintings.
I had given up until recently, but pictures started popping into my head.
I thought at first it was coming from my subconscious. But the other day just after I had woken up and was still laying in bed, the most beautiful picture I had ever seen flashed into my head. I shouted "Oh God" and leapt out of bed to find a suitable canvas to paint it on. So there is a use for ESP. I think the spirit world is finally making use of me, and they want me to paint pictures and tell the world about it. I mostly do this on twitter. My name there is Dajjal @dajjal_dd I have posted my old paintings on my timeline.

As I have said I was given 5 numbers on the lottery by the spirit world , to buy my first internet ready computer. They now seem to want their moneys worth.

As far as I am concerned ESP is not something that should be used by people so far down the evolutionary scale as to use it for military purposes, and that is probably why they don't have much success.

Because there is a God, and the veil is drawn over the spirit world to prevent mankind from abusing psychic knowledge for evil purposes.
 
I have now read two books by Russell Targ. One is called 'Mind Reach' by Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff and the other is called. ' The reality of ESP' by Russell Targ.


I said I would read books critical of Targ's books. But I was presented with a long list and I declined to read them, on account of the fact I am convinced Targ is telling the truth. His testing was foolproof under controlled conditions, and in any case as I have stated I am certain telepathy and ESP exist because of my own experience.
Targ has been roundly debunked. You refuse to accept this fact.

They certainly changed my views on Targ. It's amazing to me that someone can do rigorous and important work in one area of study, and go so completely off the rails in areas where it seems they really want to see things that aren't there and don't happen.
The Pauling effect.

How much money are Apple, Alphabet Inc. or Amazon making from ESP?

Has Musk founded a company to exploit telepathy?
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I'd be happy have an honest discussion with you on this subject, if that is really what you want.

This article gives a reasonable summary of the problems with Targ's work, and would serve as a good starting place for such a discussion:

https://skepdic.com/remotevw.html

Can I draw your attention to this paragraph in particular:

OK! I have saved that link and will read it. But as I have said on another thread, I have experienced telepathy myself. So a skeptical view of it does not wash with me.
 
And science works this way too. I regularly work with a bunch of neuroscientists, many of whom belong to my state's majority religion. They believe religiously in souls. They believe religiously in some form of extrasensory communication. But scientifically speaking, they don't believe in the claims of ESP or telepathy, nor has their scientific field yet found any way it could work.

That said, they'd be falling all over themselves to research this if there were anything to it. They'd have grants from dozens of government agencies and private corporations to characterize and productize the phenomenon. And they'd be writing big checks to me out of those grants to do their engineering analysis.

The notion that science improperly scoffs at the thought of ESP and roundly precludes it as impossible as a matter of some ideological affiliation is absolutely nonsense. There is simply no scientifically valid evidence for any such effect. If there were, these neuroscience boffins would be very, very excited.

And scientists did look for it based on the many anecdotes, I'd say the world back in the 1950s was all primed for ESP, scientists and everyone presumed "psi" and "ESP" existed, so scientists set about verifying its existence, sadly when the actual research was done it was found it didn't exist.

The reason it doesn't get the attention of the scientific community today is that the work has already been done.
 
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But I have to tell you that I am absolutely certain the spirit world is currently inspiring me to do paintings.

If you enjoy painting, then this sounds fun.

As I have said I was given 5 numbers on the lottery by the spirit world , to buy my first internet ready computer. They now seem to want their moneys worth.

No comment. You already know we don't accept your claims about the lottery. We've discussed it to death several times. Don't bring it up again expecting a different outcome. But if you enjoy painting and are being motivated to do it, just do it.

As far as I am concerned ESP is not something that should be used by people so far down the evolutionary scale as to use it for military purposes, and that is probably why they don't have much success.

No one has had any scientifically valid success making ESP work for any purpose, noble or nefarious. The claim that military experiments failed because of some overriding moral framework is special pleading.

Because there is a God, and the veil is drawn over the spirit world to prevent mankind from abusing psychic knowledge for evil purposes.

You may wish to tie your beliefs in God to a belief in ESP, but certainly not all who claim ESP is real are also believers in God. Is ESP as real for them as you claim it is for you? And we've discussed the moral gymnastics of your religious beliefs also at tedious length without resolution.

The bottom line is that there is no scientifically tenable evidence for the existence of ESP, and you have admitted your mind is closed to that proposition. We're essentially done here.
 
But as I have said on another thread, I have experienced telepathy myself.

Yes, you've come here many, many times to make the same claims over and over again without the slightest inclination to examine them critically.

So a skeptical view of it does not wash with me.

How about a factual view? This is not a partisan issue of opinion. You either have testable, valid evidence for your claims or you do not. There is no "perspective" that fills in for missing facts in a way that obligates belief.
 
I assume in your anecdote (of almost zero worth) that your mum confirmed this dead brother? Strange family that you would grow up not knowing that.... Note also that just because she didn't tell you, does not mean others would not know - it would be a difficult thing to keep secret. May even be in newspaper accounts of the time. Your lack of knowledge (albeit surprising) does not mean that others in that church did not know, especially if there were people there who were around at the time of the event. It does not require your mother to be a member of the church for a member of the church to know something about your mother. Also, do you know how many people were killed in the war - it's a pretty safe thing to throw out a prediction about and we know from recorded sessions how much the subject will then later ascribe definite knowledge and accuracy to what a review of the recording shows was nothing of the sort eg 'I see a relative lost in tragic circumstances' becomes 'Mum, have we lost a family member in tragic circumstances?'. 'Yes you had a brother who died in the war.' 'Amazing, the medium knew I had a brother who died in the war'. The subject will then usually be completely convinced that's exactly what the medium said and look very puzzled when the actual recording does not show that.

Do you know how many people get a feeling they've won the lottery...and then forget it when they haven't, rinse and repeat until you get a hit and then 'It's amazing, I had a feeling I'd won'?

My mother did not live in the same town as the place where she had a baby that died. She was in the forces during the war at the time and was away from home. She did not talk about her baby, and did not even tell her brother, let alone me. I went to live with her after she brought a new house in another town. There was a spiritualist church there and I went to it on my own. She never went to the church. I am quite certain nobody there new anything about me or my family, but a medium gave me an accurate message about my dead brother including his name.

As for winning the lottery I am quite absolutely clear that a voice in my head told me I had won one hour before the draw. That never happened to me before or since.

You people may think I am not capable or reasoning and logic, but I made a living fixing logic boards for a couple of decades. I know I have posted all this before but not everyone on this thread as seen my previous accounts.
I am fully well aware that anecdotes are not evidence to anyone else. But they were evidence enough for me.
 
OK! I have saved that link and will read it. But as I have said on another thread, I have experienced telepathy myself. So a skeptical view of it does not wash with me.

Forget the skeptical view. Talk about the commercial view. You've experienced telepathy yourself. But have you paid anyone to perform a valuable service using telepathy? Has anyone paid you to use telepathy for some worthwhile end?
 
Yes, you've come here many, many times to make the same claims over and over again without the slightest inclination to examine them critically.



How about a factual view? This is not a partisan issue of opinion. You either have testable, valid evidence for your claims or you do not. There is no "perspective" that fills in for missing facts in a way that obligates belief.

I have just explained that, and said I am posting the information for those that have not read it. I am not an idiot and did logic for a living. I am still quite clear that what I experienced is real and I am right in my conclusions.

There is a spirit world, and some mediums are genuine, the evidence I received in spiritualist churches over the years is enough to convince me of that.
 
As far as I am concerned ESP is not something that should be used by people so far down the evolutionary scale as to use it for military purposes, and that is probably why they don't have much success.

Because there is a God, and the veil is drawn over the spirit world to prevent mankind from abusing psychic knowledge for evil purposes.

What crap. God hasn't pulled a veil over the subatomic world, to prevent mankind from abusing nuclear knowledge for evil purposes. God hasn't pulled a veil over the biologic world, to prevent mankind from abusing medical knowledge for evil purposes. Why would a god that allows thermonuclear bombs and waterboarding prohibit telepathic warfare?

Modern glide bombs are guided by GPS. Why would a god who allows people so far down the evolutionary scale as to use the relativity of simultaneity for military purposes prohibit similar use of psionics?
 
Forget the skeptical view. Talk about the commercial view. You've experienced telepathy yourself. But have you paid anyone to perform a valuable service using telepathy? Has anyone paid you to use telepathy for some worthwhile end?

I was on the receiving end of a telepathic office worker, a young woman who helped the police try to give me a breakdown to make me have mental treatment. They did this because some dumb bastard who thought they were smarted than God because they probably had a degree in psychology mistakenly labeled me a psychopath.
They did not succeed in breaking my mind, but they did force to me give up my job. I have never been able to do anything about it because nobody would give me evidence, and believe me I hounded them to do so.

I cannot read other peoples minds, but that office worker could read mine.

Oh! I am also diagnosed a schizophrenic, and I daresay that will make you think my opinions are worthless delusions. Every psychiatrist I ever saw thought the same thing. But they know nothing about the spirit world just like all of you. I don't bother to talk to psychiatrists any longer, and have not done so for a couple of decades.
 
No one has had any scientifically valid success making ESP work for any purpose, noble or nefarious. The claim that military experiments failed because of some overriding moral framework is special pleading.

I wonder what the excuse is for the failure of ESP to provide a means to diagnose illnesses, or prevent murders.

I've got it: those people had it coming. They did something to deserve to get cancer or to be raped and murdered, whatever their age.
 
Scorpion, why is it so important for you to keep telling these stories for a skeptical audience? You seem to want us to believe you, but you know that will never happen. What is your goal?
 
I was on the receiving end of a telepathic office worker, a young woman who helped the police try to give me a breakdown to make me have mental treatment. They did this because some dumb bastard who thought they were smarted than God because they probably had a degree in psychology mistakenly labeled me a psychopath.
They did not succeed in breaking my mind, but they did force to me give up my job. I have never been able to do anything about it because nobody would give me evidence, and believe me I hounded them to do so.

I cannot read other peoples minds, but that office worker could read mine.

Oh! I am also diagnosed a schizophrenic, and I daresay that will make you think my opinions are worthless delusions. Every psychiatrist I ever saw thought the same thing. But they know nothing about the spirit world just like all of you. I don't bother to talk to psychiatrists any longer, and have not done so for a couple of decades.

Well, that pretty much explains everything.
 
What crap. God hasn't pulled a veil over the subatomic world, to prevent mankind from abusing nuclear knowledge for evil purposes. God hasn't pulled a veil over the biologic world, to prevent mankind from abusing medical knowledge for evil purposes. Why would a god that allows thermonuclear bombs and waterboarding prohibit telepathic warfare?

Modern glide bombs are guided by GPS. Why would a god who allows people so far down the evolutionary scale as to use the relativity of simultaneity for military purposes prohibit similar use of psionics?

The physical world is just one realm of experience. Man is not meant to jump unprepared into the higher worlds until his natural lifespan comes to an end.
It is quite clear that men who do the things you describe would use psychic power for their own ends if they could et access to it. They would then be able to enslave others in ways which are far worse than anything they have done up to now. The veil is down to prevent humanity over reaching itself.
We are here to learn by experience and act freely without proof of the existence of a deity. We will face karmic consequences for evil acts that may shape our future incarnations. It is not punishment as such but corrective experiences that will force changes in the soul.

Queue Darat Who will now say I think little girls should be raped and murdered. But I don't. They may just be innocent victims of mans inhumanity and they will be compensated in future incarnations.

This world is a meeting place for evolved and unevolved souls, and our interactions with one another is how we evolve.
 
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Scorpion, why is it so important for you to keep telling these stories for a skeptical audience? You seem to want us to believe you, but you know that will never happen. What is your goal?

I don't just do this here, I do it elsewhere, and particularly on twitter. I see it as what the spirit world wants me to do.
 
Oh! I am also diagnosed a schizophrenic, and I daresay that will make you think my opinions are worthless delusions.

Short of its obvious emotional language, yes this is the best explanation for your claims.

Every psychiatrist I ever saw thought the same thing. But they know nothing about the spirit world just like all of you.

But they do know about mental conditions that would convince someone very strongly that there existed a spirit world for which neither you nor anyone else can provide testable evidence. See how that works? Every single diagnosed schizophrenic I have spoken with—and there have been surprisingly many—cites their caregivers' disbelief in the patient's delusions and hallucinations as reasons not to continue treatment.

I don't bother to talk to psychiatrists any longer, and have not done so for a couple of decades.

Psychiatrists do not believe your claims, and offer a different explanation than the one you prefer. So you dismiss them and no longer seek their counsel. However, neither do we skeptics believe your claims. We offer a different explanation than the one you prefer. Yet every couple of years—regular as clockwork—you post all these same thoroughly-discussed claims from your past, and you receive the same skeptical response over and over again.

What is this buying you? Why do you keep doing this? Are you just looking to scoff and thumb your nose at skeptics and skepticism?
 
I don't just do this here, I do it elsewhere, and particularly on twitter. I see it as what the spirit world wants me to do.

Have your "spirits" given you any reason for compelling you to continually restate these claims in front of the same skeptical and atheistic audience over and over again, subjecting you to expected and predictable ridicule and criticism?

It's doing nothing for us except for the predictable, "Oh, geez, here we go again." And you state that your mind is closed, so you're clearly gaining nothing from it.
 

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