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Transwomen are not women - X (XY?)

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Pfft it's really weird. I've been scouring the online presences of BBC News, ITV News and Sky News for anything about that book review which appeared in the Sunday Times yesterday. Not a sausage. Nada. Zilch.

It's as if that book review wasn't ever really proper (or reliable) news in the first place.....
 
LondonJohn said:
1) What empirical evidence is there that ciswomen prisoners have suffered materially within women's prisons on account of transwomen being placed in those prisons?
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Given that you accept there are:
insincere transwomen
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ie convicted males, what do you mean by:
suffered materially
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This looks like further misogyny - "the negative effects that females have complained about don't count unless they pass MY threshold".
 
LondonJohn said:
Pfft it's really weird. I've been scouring the online presences of BBC News, ITV News and Sky News for anything about that book review which appeared in the Sunday Times yesterday. Not a sausage. Nada. Zilch.

It's as if that book review wasn't ever really proper (or reliable) news in the first place.....
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Honestly, John, I don't know where you're coming from on this. Do you realise that Hannah Barnes, the author of the book you're talking about, is currently employed by the BBC, working on the Newsnight programme? Her speciality is investigative and analytical journalism.

Investigative journalist employed by the BBC does some investigative journalism and publishes a book about her findings. And John thinks she's lying about it all because (checks notes) he didn't see anything about it on the BBC.
 
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If we had seen something about it on the BBC, it would have been because she works for the BBC, so of course they are going to cover it - therefore we can ignore it.
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That's the benefit of starting from one's conclusion and then working backwards to construct a narrative to support it.
 
Rolfe said:
Honestly, John, I don't know where you're coming from on this. Do you realise that Hannah Barnes, the author of the book you're talking about, is currently employed by the BBC, working on the Newsnight programme? Her speciality is investigative and analytical journalism.

Investigative journalist employed by the BBC does some investigative journalism and publishes a book about her findings. And John thinks she's lying about it all because (checks notes) he didn't see anything about it on the BBC.
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I believe it's going to be published on 23rd Feb and is currently only available for pre-order. The article linked to was written by a reviewer who received an advance copy.
 
It's a thing that the Sunday Times does. Gets an exclusive on something that's coming out and does a big weekend splash about it in advance. Rather than be seen to be doing a "me-too" article which would inevitably be based solely on what everyone has already read in the paper that got the exclusive, other media outlets will wait until the book is actually published.

It's going to be reviews and comment pieces though, rather than "hold the front page". This has been covered as news in relation to the interim Cass report and the announcement of the closure of the Tavistock. When the final Cass report comes out later this year it will be news again. I don't see the publication of a book about an ongoing controversy necessarily being a big news item, though you never know.

I'm still slightly boggling that John has decided that a BBC Newsnight investigative journalist may be assumed to be lying in a book she has published on the basis that he can't find anything on the BBC about it ten days before the publication date. I tend to assume that if she was a dishonest journalist who fabricated copy, she would have been sacked by the BBC before now. However, maybe we'll read about her being sacked in disgrace in a few weeks, who knows?
 
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Oh this is getting stranger and stranger. I called the news desks of BBC News, Sky News and ITV News. I asked them why they weren't running headline stories - heck, any stories whatsoever - on this bombshell public health revelation.

"What revelation?" they each said.

"You must know!" I said. "It's about kids getting mutilated, maimed and sterilised!"

"Blimey!" they said. "If it's as you describe, then I'd agree it should be leading our output".

"And it's going on right under our very noses!" I exclaimed. "Worse still, this factory of maiming and sterilising is being done by our beloved NHS!".

"Are you sure?" they each said. "I think we'd be running this story if you're representing it correctly to me."

"Totally sure!" I retorted. "It's a eugenics programme to forcibly convert gay children to transgender children against their will and their consent".

"I'll check with the Health Editor", they each reassured me. I waited. In turn, they came back to me: "No, the Health Editor isn't aware of any reliable, independent reports on anything like this".

"YOU MUST HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT!" (I was getting quite urgent and upset by now). "Transgender kids. Mutilated. Butchered. Sterilised."

"No, I can't help you any more, Sir. If reliable, well-sourced, independent information comes our way, I'm sure we'll look into it. Meanwhile the only proper news story about transgender kids we're currently aware of is that horrible murder of the transgirl".

I slammed down the phone in despair. This country.
 
LondonJohn said:
Oh this is getting stranger and stranger. I called the news desks of BBC News, Sky News and ITV News. I asked them why they weren't running headline stories - heck, any stories whatsoever - on this bombshell public health revelation.

"What revelation?" they each said.

"You must know!" I said. "It's about kids getting mutilated, maimed and sterilised!"

"Blimey!" they said. "If it's as you describe, then I'd agree it should be leading our output".

"And it's going on right under our very noses!" I exclaimed. "Worse still, this factory of maiming and sterilising is being done by our beloved NHS!".

"Are you sure?" they each said. "I think we'd be running this story if you're representing it correctly to me."

"Totally sure!" I retorted. "It's a eugenics programme to forcibly convert gay children to transgender children against their will and their consent".

"I'll check with the Health Editor", they each reassured me. I waited. In turn, they came back to me: "No, the Health Editor isn't aware of any reliable, independent reports on anything like this".

"YOU MUST HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT!" (I was getting quite urgent and upset by now). "Transgender kids. Mutilated. Butchered. Sterilised."

"No, I can't help you any more, Sir. If reliable, well-sourced, independent information comes our way, I'm sure we'll look into it. Meanwhile the only proper news story about transgender kids we're currently aware of is that horrible murder of the transgirl".

I slammed down the phone in despair. This country.
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But the BBC *did* do a documentary on challenging the policy of gender affirmation for children: Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?

Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right? . . . . The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning. . . .
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Rolfe said:
What did Newsnight say, John?
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First, as a point of order, call me either LondonJohn or LJ please.

But on this matter.... well, I was actually calling Newsnight's editor all afternoon and evening. I was absolutely furious, I don't mind telling you. I mean, I'm an angry bitter person at the best of times (one of my two remaining friends says I might want to think about getting less righteously angry on behalf of other people though, despite what my social media "friends" think), but getting dissed like this by Newsnight was making me apoplectic.

Anyhow, Stewart eventually called me back at around 9:30pm. I ranted at him for five minutes, then he asked me what I actually wanted. "I want to know that you're headlining tonight's show with the disgraceful story about the maiming, butchery and forced sterilisation of kids, right under our very noses, by so-called healthcare professionals".

"Ah, no LondonJohn", he replied. "We're not. We're going with a piece about the appalling humanitarian crisis in the Near East after the earthquakes there".

"Oh right", I said, pushing drawing pins into my forearm to try to assuage my anger. "Yeah, that is quite a bad thing happening there, isn't it? Completely understand, completely understand. You're running the "kids mutilation" story second though, right?"

"No", he said. "We're not running it at all". I had to sever the tip of my left little finger to stop myself from literally self-combusting.

"But...but....it's a big story on GB News!" I spluttered, as I tried to staunch the blood flow with a piece of kitchen roll that I'd been doodling a T-Rex onto.

"Ah, I see the problem here then", Stewart responded. "You see, GB News is, well... I'll try to be as diplomatic as possible.... it's a right-wing cesspit with extremely low journalist standards and a proven track-record in providing dog-whistle programming to bigots and reactionaries. What you'll find with the major network broadcasters is that we have much higher standards. We are careful only to run stories that can be double- (or preferably triple-) sourced, and that can be shown to be both objective and reliable."

At this point flames started to issue from both my ears, so I had to put the phone down on the hopelessly-captured editor of Newsnight, and stick my head into a bucket of cold vinegar.
 
LJ, You still haven't dealt with the fact that the investigative journalist who wrote the book in question works for Newsnight. That is literally her day job.
 
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Rolfe said:
You still haven't dealt with the fact that the investigative journalist who wrote the book in question works for Newsnight. That is literally her day job.
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It also seems to have escaped his notice that this was about what happened at the Tavistock, which is now closing, not what is happening right now.
 
Rolfe said:
LJ, You still haven't dealt with the fact that the investigative journalist who wrote the book in question works for Newsnight. That is literally her day job.
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LOL yes I do know that. And the delicious irony is that you cannot solve the extremely easy puzzle as to why a) this wasn't simply run as a Newsnight investigation, and/or b) why Newsnight aren't running the story at all (whereas, of course, GB News is dining out on it AHAHAHAHA).

You can't join the dots on this one, can you? It's right there in front of your eyes and yet you still can't see it?
 
LondonJohn said:
LOL yes I do know that. And the delicious irony is that you cannot solve the extremely easy puzzle as to why a) this wasn't simply run as a Newsnight investigation, and/or b) why Newsnight aren't running the story at all (whereas, of course, GB News is dining out on it AHAHAHAHA).

You can't join the dots on this one, can you? It's right there in front of your eyes and yet you still can't see it?
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You mean another Newsnight investigation like the one they already did a couple of years ago?
 
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"It's about kids getting mutilated, maimed and sterilised!"

Thankfully no minors are actually being sterilised or inflicted with permanent anorgasmia. This is just something the right wing made up to score points.
 
LondonJohn said:
LOL yes I do know that. And the delicious irony is that you cannot solve the extremely easy puzzle as to why a) this wasn't simply run as a Newsnight investigation, and/or b) why Newsnight aren't running the story at all (whereas, of course, GB News is dining out on it AHAHAHAHA).

You can't join the dots on this one, can you? It's right there in front of your eyes and yet you still can't see it?
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So Tavistock’s gender clinic was never closed down? Whistleblowers never exposed the unscientific and barbarous practices of the clinic? It was all a conspiracy?

It’s extremely interesting that your only comments about Tavistock are to dismiss exposes by people who knew what was happening.
 
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