... This is why blaming Sanders for Clinton's loss is highly hypocritical. Some Trump voters didn't flip because he wasn't the candidate. Even more Clinton voters would flip were Sanders the candidate seeing a lot of them flipped GOP when Obama was the candidate. Yawn.
It wasn't Sanders' voters switching to Trump, it was his bad-mouthing Clinton about the Goldman Sachs speech. I'm guessing some of those people voted for the Green Party candidate or didn't vote at all.
And it was only one of many reasons Clinton lost. I'm certainly not saying it was all Bernie's fault. Actually it all could have been overcome if Clinton had better responses to a number of issues including the Goldman Sachs speech. So in essence it was her fault.
Another issue, which was similar to Trump's loss in 2020, is that attracting huge enthusiastic crowds didn't translate to some sort of landslide voting for Sanders. It's easy to be misled about the popularity of one's chosen candidate if one is surrounded by such a crowd.
Likewise it's easy to believe a lackluster response to a candidate such as Biden translates into an election loss. We saw that in 2020, he won.
I was specifically responding to Bob001's statement that "inflation is falling" by pointing out that it is still "painfully high"...which is a fact. I also said that "a great amount of people believe he is because they are ignorant." I never said, implied or believe that Biden is responsible for it in any way.
Inflation is falling.
Yes but it's still painfully high.
What message is that? Biden's not doing enough.
Well, if that's what I was doing, then I'd agree with you. But it's not. Where you get the idea that I said we should 'dump him' because "a great amount of people believe he is" responsible is boggling to me.
I never said we should "dump" Biden at all;
I said I don't think he should run due to his age and that we need younger candidates. I also said I'd vote for him if he did become the candidate.
(bolding mine) Saying you'd vote for him doesn't negate amplifying the claim he's too old to run, or you hope he won't run because he's too old. It's similar to amplifying the message inflation is too high as opposed to the message it's coming down.
Sometimes it's hard to see what messages we are amplifying, especially on a forum where one might expect only a few people are in on the discussion. But this is how social media amplifies messages.
A winky face does not negate what is an insulting comment based on YOUR misunderstanding of what I said. I think I have made my opinion on the current GOP extremely clear during my time on ISF and to accuse me of giving their propaganda any credibility is beyond the pale.
It's not my misunderstanding. And I certainly know what your opinion is of liberals and the alt-right, etc. This has nothing to do with that.
I'm trying to point out to people that Biden being too old is the GOP messaging and one shouldn't be repeating it even if one believes it. (I don't happen to believe it but that's a moot point.)
Bad example for who? It's a good example of age being a factor. How do we know RGB held up well? How often did we see her publicly? She sure screwed things up on a massive scale, as predicted. Great move! Pelosi has had her senior moments as well. They are all bad examples.
Examples of people who didn't age well isn't relevant. The fact that
it is not a given a person of Biden's age is too old was the point. If he's too old then one might expect him acting like Feinstein, and others noticing. But that's not happening. If that happens, point that out. If it doesn't then stop repeating the message he's too old when there is no evidence that is true. And no, a couple of senior moments is not sufficient.
There is no way in hell I'd vote for any Republican regardless of who the Dems run.
Of course. And it's the same for me and for Stacyhs.
Perhaps any votes we may lose, if any, by replacing Biden will be gained back and more by having a younger candidate.
And nobody here needs Republicans to tell them that Biden is too old, we can decide that for ourselves, thank you for the insult though. Biden can do no wrong it seems even when he does (documents in his garage).
Anecdote...I know a lot of elderly people younger than Biden and I wouldn't want a single one of them being placed in one of the most demanding, stressful and important jobs in the world.
Name a new candidate, I'll be excited. Biden is the opposite of exciting and I think that is an issue, especially with younger voters. He beat Trump, job well done. Now let's move on.
Yes, name a new candidate people can get behind. But until then stop amplifying on social media the message the GOP wants amplified. Again, even if you believe it, repeating it is unnecessary.
No POTUS or VP from this presidency or the last one will be the nominee. There is not enough support for ANY of them to make it through.
The issue in getting new names out in media is that the old buggars haven't stepped aside yet and any one new will enter the gauntlet.
I don't believe that. Could be they don't want to damage Biden but if the right candidate came along, like Obama, they might enter the race.
I can see I need to start a thread on how messages are amplified in social media, often inadvertently.
