Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Should I list all the people in their 80s and 90s that were not senile or weak?

Ruth Bader Ginsberg
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If I were inclined to make your point, I'd steer clear of people whose untimely death in office after refusing to retire plunged the US into a fascist hellhole. But yes, before she died and left her seat open to allow McConnell to give a literal handmaiden a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, she was indeed a feisty grandma.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I asked for specifics. I see an answer of averages.

Should I list all the people in their 80s and 90s that were not senile or weak?

Ruth Bader Ginsberg
Betty White
Nancy Pelosi

I'll hunt a few more names up after I feed the dog. :D
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You do that while I hunt up the number of people who die, have strokes, heart attacks and other debilitating health problems in their 80's or even 70's. Don't care about the 90's as Biden would be 86 at the end of his second term.

John McCain (81, brain cancrer)
Bernie Sanders (78, heart attack)
Ronald Reagan (diagnosed at 83 with Alzheimer's, but showing
symptoms well before.)

We can list people who did well into their 80's, but the chances of being able to cope with the unique challenges, mentally AND physically, that come with being the POTUS drastically decline with age.

Feeding the dog has top priority!
 
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Bob001 said:
The Notorious RBG might not be a good example. She had multiple bouts with cancer, and was increasingly frail in her final years. And writing SC opinions is certainly not as demanding as serving as President. Of course, her decision not to resign with a Democrat in the White House had long-term consequences on all of us.

Better examples might be some of the people sitting in the Senate -- Feinstein, Grassley etc. -- long past their expiration date.
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Feinstein is not a good example, either. Reports are that she has been showing sharp mental decline for some time.

According to a report in the San Francisco Chronicle, they are concerned the 88-year-old democrat may not be fit for office.

The newspaper spoke to her colleagues, including four U.S. senators and three former Feinstein staffers.

Not wanting to be identified, they claim she is showing clear signs of cognitive decline, including forgetting who she is meeting with and repeating the same information multiple times throughout a conversation.
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"Really, for the last couple of years, I've been hearing that Dianne Feinstein has been struggling, particularly with short-term memory issues, so that her staff will brief her and then she'll forget what she's been told or that she's been briefed at all," Jane Mayer of The New Yorker told All Things Considered in 2020.
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Stacyhs said:
Feinstein is not a good example, either. Reports are that she has been showing sharp mental decline for some time.
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Poorly phrased on my part. I meant Feinstein and Grassley are better examples than RBG of people who are too old to hold office.
 
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The biggest problem with Biden is not his age. It's that he's exactly the kind of Democrat that's spent years sinking the party by making it less & less distinguishable from the other party and giving voters less & less to bother voting for. His replacement doesn't just need to be younger; (s)he needs to be a fundamentally different kind of Democrat. Another round of letting the Republicans pick our candidate for us like the last couple of times will only continue to deepen the decline.
 
Electorally speaking it doesn't matter if Biden is the most successful and accomplished POTUS in history. Even if there was some way of measuring that objectively. The majority of RVs don't see it that way. Take a look at his approval poll numbers.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Electorally speaking it doesn't matter if Biden is the most successful and accomplished POTUS in history. Even if there was some way of measuring that objectively. The majority of RVs don't see it that way. Take a look at his approval poll numbers.
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Recreational vehicles are voting now? I missed the memo.
 
theprestige said:
We don't have inflation because of Covid. We have inflation because of trying mitigate the economic impact of Covid containment policies that shut down a broad swath of economic activity for extended periods of time, and which have probably made permanent changes to some parts of our economy that we weren't prepared for and still haven't fully acknowledged - let alone addressed.
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Yeah well, you do you following the alt-right ignorance and I'll do me with my 30+ years of infectious disease experience and educational expertise. More than a million people died in less than 2 years. Hospitals and funeral homes all over the world were overflowing.

Your idea we didn't need said mitigation is not based on infectious disease science. We needed more.
 
Stacyhs said:
Did I say Biden was responsible for the high inflation? I don't believe I did. But the fact is that a great amount of people believe he is because they are ignorant. Trying to tell them otherwise goes in one ear and out the other and all they know is that their rent or mortgage payments have skyrocketed and that they can't put food on the table.
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If you weren't saying he was responsible, what were you trying to show with that bar graph? How can you compare 2021 and 2022 with previous years without adjusting for COVID?

Do you think repeating and therefore amplifying the narrative that Biden is responsible for inflation when he isn't is helpful? We should dump him as a candidate because people will blame him? :boggled:

I'm having a hard time following your inflation bar graph combined with he's too old.

Of course we can't convince the alt-right/MAGA idiots. But maybe I can convince you to consider the facts about Biden rather than what the GOP puts out? ;)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah well, you do you following the alt-right ignorance and I'll do me with my 30+ years of infectious disease experience and educational expertise. More than a million people died in less than 2 years. Hospitals and funeral homes all over the world were overflowing.

Your idea we didn't need said mitigation is not based on infectious disease science. We needed more.
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That's not alt-right stuff the prestige is touting. Thats the mainstream/left economic view. Inflation was caused by backed up supply chains from a global shutdown. Weird things happened when we opened back up. The alt-right view is it's because no one wants to work any more because the libs give out free money.
 
Bob001 said:
The Notorious RBG might not be a good example. She had multiple bouts with cancer, and was increasingly frail in her final years. And writing SC opinions is certainly not as demanding as serving as President. Of course, her decision not to resign with a Democrat in the White House had long-term consequences on all of us.

Better examples might be some of the people sitting in the Senate -- Feinstein, Grassley etc. -- long past their expiration date.
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Feinstein is losing it, bad example. So was Reagan but his fans adored him. Why do we need bad examples? Not my point at all.

As for RBG she held up despite her physical health. Betty White didn't have a taxing job either. The point is look at how Biden is or is not functioning. Don't look at some GOP narrative he's too old.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
If I were inclined to make your point, I'd steer clear of people whose untimely death in office after refusing to retire plunged the US into a fascist hellhole. But yes, before she died and left her seat open to allow McConnell to give a literal handmaiden a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, she was indeed a feisty grandma.
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McConnell proved himself to be a SC seat thief by sleazy means. I'm not sure we should be blaming RBG for that.
 
Stacyhs said:
You do that while I hunt up the number of people who die, have strokes, heart attacks and other debilitating health problems in their 80's or even 70's. Don't care about the 90's as Biden would be 86 at the end of his second term.

John McCain (81, brain cancrer)
Bernie Sanders (78, heart attack)
Ronald Reagan (diagnosed at 83 with Alzheimer's, but showing
symptoms well before.)

We can list people who did well into their 80's, but the chances of being able to cope with the unique challenges, mentally AND physically, that come with being the POTUS drastically decline with age.

Feeding the dog has top priority!
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Which is why I've said look at how Biden is or is not functioning. The outcome measure of his age is a single variable. If you're worried he might die in office maybe let's look at replacing the VP? ;)
 
Delvo said:
The biggest problem with Biden is not his age. It's that he's exactly the kind of Democrat that's spent years sinking the party by making it less & less distinguishable from the other party and giving voters less & less to bother voting for. His replacement doesn't just need to be younger; (s)he needs to be a fundamentally different kind of Democrat. Another round of letting the Republicans pick our candidate for us like the last couple of times will only continue to deepen the decline.
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Are you a Bernie Bro by any chance? I agree but even with the promises Obama offered we got very little.

I really don't see the next magical POTUS candidate waiting in the wings. If she shows up, fine. But in the meantime all this talk about Biden being too old is very comforting to the enemy so to speak.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Electorally speaking it doesn't matter if Biden is the most successful and accomplished POTUS in history. Even if there was some way of measuring that objectively. The majority of RVs don't see it that way. Take a look at his approval poll numbers.
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We are still a long way out. People really should stop bad-mouthing the guy unless they have that magical candidate they want to support.
 
lobosrul5 said:
That's not alt-right stuff the prestige is touting. Thats the mainstream/left economic view. Inflation was caused by backed up supply chains from a global shutdown. Weird things happened when we opened back up. The alt-right view is it's because [of the propaganda message] no one wants to work any more because the libs give out free money.
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ftfy

Waay too far off-topic for me to address here.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
We are still a long way out. People really should stop bad-mouthing the guy unless they have that magical candidate they want to support.
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I'm not badmouthing Biden. I've never badmouthed Biden. He's done all of two things in his entire presidency that I didn't like. And to be fair one of them was kind of retroactively. That does t change the fact that his approval ratings are in the low 40s.

I do think there are better candidates out there.
 
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