Rolfe
Adult human female
Honestly the only real point of contention I have right now is with the idea that self-ID should be the basis for transcending sex segregation. I don't think it should be. If you agree with me on that point, then we probably also agree on everything else that really matters. If you don't agree with me on that point, then let's address that disagreement head-on.
So.
Do you agree that self-ID should not be the basis for transcending sex segregation?
If trans people (trans-identifying men from my point of view - the women are a problem for men to decide what they want to do with and they're not the topic of this thread anyway) weren't constantly and aggressively pushing for more and more access into women's single-sex spaces and categories, we wouldn't even be having a discussion. We'd be letting them get on with whatever it is they get on with and not worrying about it.
And it turns out there is no middle ground. There is no way you can say, we'll give the nice men, or the harmless men, or even the men who have signed a certain bit of paper, the legal right to be in women's spaces, and keep any of the others out if they want to come in.
This is the absolute kernel of the disagreement. We want our stuff back. We want our single-sex spaces back and we want our right of association back and we want our language back. And we are getting increasingly testy with those who bloviate and spin and call us names in an effort to stop us getting our stuff back.
If there are problems some men have that need solutions, then find the solutions. Men, find the solutions to the problems that some of your sex experience, and do it in your own space and your own time and don't expect women to do the emotional and physical work of being human shields for disturbed men, and give up all their own rights in the process.