Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

The special 'dark electricity' currents that both power our sun and are completely undetectable by the most sensitive instruments we possess.

The currents that must flow through earth with more power than the sun itself provides yet cannot be tapped or transfer energy until the magic in the sun happens.

The currents that are made up of unlectrons, charged particles that can move against the solar wind and trough the magnetic field of the sun against any know laws of electricity.

The currents that can pop into existence without something driving them and cannot be described by any form of mathematics.

Are you able to fill us in on SOLAR WIND TURBULENCE?

jd116 may know?

Summary
• Turbulence is measured at all locations that spacecraft have explored in the solar wind.

In plasmas such as the solar wind, turbulence involves electric and magnetic fields as well as velocity fluctuations.

Looks kinda important and totally destroys jd116's trolling, again!

Can you handle electric fields yet jd116?

 

[Sol88]

Just like any other magnetic structure.

Here is a paper by Zenitani describing the structure of a plasmoid in MHD (but I guess he "does not have the math" either)

Or a paper by Honkonen et al. "On large plasmoid formation in a global magnetohydrodynamic simulation"

Have fun, I will not wait, I have things to do.

Some Open Questions
At small scales, where MHD no longer applies, what is the proper description of solar-wind turbulence?

MHD...

 

[Ziggurat]

You keep talking as if MHD is the only tool physicists have to describe plasmas. That’s wrong. It’s akin to claiming the ideal gas law is useless because it too doesn’t describe turbulence. Which is incredibly stupid.

It’s almost like there’s a pattern with you.

 

[Ziggurat]

Can you handle electric fields yet jd116?

That requires math, so we know you can’t.

 

[jonesdave116]

love your denial and gaslighting!

Keeps me keen.

As I said. Not even close. Learn plasma physics. Shocks are not the equivalent of sticking your finger in a power socket. It is the effect of one parcel of plasma, such as a CME, travelling at high velocity, encountering a slower moving plasma, such as the solar wind. Or the solar wind encountering the coma of a comet, or a planet. Where you get a bow shock.

The only one gaslighting here is you, as you are the only one without a clue about the subject. You are the only one in denial, because your are not smart enough to see why the crap you believe is impossible.

Figured out what you are doing with this positively charged dust yet? Hmmm? Gone rather quiet about that, haven't you? Because you made a fool of yourself yet again, due to not understanding what you are reading.

 

[jonesdave116]

Are you able to fill us in on SOLAR WIND TURBULENCE?

jd116 may know?

Looks kinda important and totally destroys jd116's trolling, again!

Can you handle electric fields yet jd116?

I am the one who keeps having to explain to you why the presence of electric fields restores quasi-neutrality. You don't even seem to know what an electric field is, or why they form!

Go away and don't come back until you can handle high school physics as a minimum. That way you would maybe not keep making a fool of yourself. Given up on the Ulysses dust, have you? Trying to gish gallop away from that particular piece of idiocy, are we? Hoping nobody will notice if you keep changing the subject? Not going to happen. How do the Ulysses dust detections favour the impossible electric sun woo? Let's have it. Going to chicken out, aren't you? As usual.
All talk, no understanding. Word salad backed by zero comprehension.

 

[Sol88]

You still believe the solar wind is quasineutral...

 

[Sol88]

I am the one who keeps having to explain to you why the presence of electric fields restores quasi-neutrality. You don't even seem to know what an electric field is, or why they form!

Go away and don't come back until you can handle high school physics as a minimum. That way you would maybe not keep making a fool of yourself. Given up on the Ulysses dust, have you? Trying to gish gallop away from that particular piece of idiocy, are we? Hoping nobody will notice if you keep changing the subject? Not going to happen. How do the Ulysses dust detections favour the impossible electric sun woo? Let's have it. Going to chicken out, aren't you? As usual.
All talk, no understanding. Word salad backed by zero comprehension.

Standard dusty plasma physics. Quite the surprise, all this charged dust, according to the Ulysses team.

 

[Sol88]

As I said. Not even close. Learn plasma physics. Shocks are not the equivalent of sticking your finger in a power socket. It is the effect of one parcel of plasma, such as a CME, travelling at high velocity, encountering a slower moving plasma, such as the solar wind. Or the solar wind encountering the coma of a comet, or a planet. Where you get a bow shock.
.

Well you just produced an electric field!

No bow shock at 67P. There was funnily enough a double layer. (Ambipolar electric field)

The dust plays a critical role.

 

[jonesdave116]

You still believe the solar wind is quasineutral...

Don't have to believe it It is measured to be so. And has to be so. As Alfven explained in terms a 12 year old could understand. Want me to post it again? You don't seem to think Alfven is worth listening to re plasma physics. Who should we be listening to? People who think Earth was orbiting Saturn recently?

The correlation of the magnetic storms and aurorae with the solar activity indicates that they are due to some agent emitted from the sun. As this agent causes magnetic and electric disturbances on the earth, it probably consists of charged particles. But, as Schuster has shown, the emission of a sufficient amount of particles, all having the same sign, is impossible because it would give rise to an enormous space charge. This difficulty is avoided if the emitted agent is assumed to consist of the equal amount of positive and negative particles. Consequently the general nature of the current system during the main phase of a magnetic storm must be somewhat as follows. The stream approaching the earth contains positive and negative charge in equal amounts so that the electric current is zero.
Through the action of the magnetic field of the earth the paths of the positives and of the negatives become differentiated, but until the particles reach the forbidden region, the space charge is always zero because the positives and negatives neutralize each other.

Bolding mine. Which part of that are you struggling with? There is no maths, and no long words. Care to explain? Thought not.

 

[Sol88]

Not what the Parker Solar probe has found now is it.

Electric currents all the way.

But keep digging. Magnetic reconnection is a bust. Are you even aware of the electric currents involved? Or do you deny their observed existence?

Plasma just doing plasma stuff.

 

[jonesdave116]

Standard dusty plasma physics. Quite the surprise, all this charged dust, according to the Ulysses team.

Not at all surprising. What makes you think it was a surprise? And what would you know about dusty plasmas? You thought this dust provides evidence for the impossible electric sun woo. How is positively charged dust doing that? You thought it was negatively charged. Because you never read what you paste. The first paper reporting this was in 1994. They said it must be positively charged. And Cassini measured it to be positively charged. Why did you not know this? Because you don't understand what you are reading. It is just a gish-gallop of copypasta that you don't understand. All talk, no science.

And what is the charge to mass ratio for this dust compared to an electron?

Well, for 0.1 micron dust, Q/m is ~ 5.3 C kg^-1.

For an electron it is ~ 1.8 x 10¹¹ C kg^-1.

About three oom less for a proton. Seeing a difference there?

And that is why your impossible drift current of electrons cannot enter the heliosphere. Even the dust wasn't getting all that close.

 

[jonesdave116]

Not what the Parker Solar probe has found now is it.

Electric currents all the way.

But keep digging. Magnetic reconnection is a bust. Are you even aware of the electric currents involved? Or do you deny their observed existence?

Plasma just doing plasma stuff.

Parker found no such thing. And nobody is denying magnetic reconnection, other than a bunch of clueless, unqualified mythologists. None of whom have clue one about plasma physics. Or any other sort of physics, as far as I can see.

 

[jonesdave116]

Well you just produced an electric field!

No bow shock at 67P. There was funnily enough a double layer. (Ambipolar electric field)

The dust plays a critical role.

Ouch! The stupid hurts! There was an infant bow shock at 67P. And there was one at Halley. And Grigg-Skjellerup. And Giacobini-Zinner.

There was no double layer, and an ambipolar field is nothing to do with a DL! Lol. Where are you getting this crap from? Other than the fantasy world that you inhabit?

 

[Sol88]

Ahhh, ‘ol jd116.

At scales MHD can not deal with, all sorts of electrical stuff pops up.

And you flat earth it.

 

[jonesdave116]

Oh dear, I should know better! I was tempted to watch Don Scott on YT explaining his electric sun woo, just as a refresher! Do you know what the photospheric granulations are? No, they are not the top of convection cells! They are 'anode tufts'! In a bloody 99.99% neutral gas!
And everything we see when we look at the night sky? Plasma! Yes, even the Moon is only seen because it is reflecting the light from plasma! Last I heard, the vast majority of the light we receive comes from the photosphere which, as mentioned, is mostly neutral gas.
Sad thing is, the people listening to the crap he was talking, had paid for the 'privilege'!

 

[jonesdave116]

Ahhh, ‘ol jd116.

At scales MHD can not deal with, all sorts of electrical stuff pops up.

And you flat earth it.

What on Earth are you prattling on about now? What 'electrical stuff'? Give it a rest. Has it not occurred to you that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about? And that that is why you fall for mythology-based cults on the internet?

 

[Sol88]

Hang on hang on, are you saying no electric currents in the solar wind, jd116?

Please be very sure of your answer.

 

[jonesdave116]

Hang on hang on, are you saying no electric currents in the solar wind, jd116?

Please be very sure of your answer.

I don't need to be sure of my answer. I already know the answer. Because I listen when people who know what they are talking about address the subject.

https://forum.cosmoquest.org/forum/...tream/19891-solar-wind-as-an-electric-current

 

[tusenfem]

No bow shock at 67P.

According to the ICA team and numerical simulators, looking at the data, it is consistent with there being a bow shock at 67P.

Unfortunately, the bow shock was too far away from the comet, and could (also for political reasons) not be reached by Rosetta during the day-side excursion.

Of course, they did find evidence for the infant bow shock.