Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

How does MHD handle plasmoids, tusenfem?

I’ll wait.

 

[jonesdave116]

Great story there jd116. though its incorrect it is very entertaining.

Nope, it is 100% correct. Ask any plasma physicist. Whoops, your cult doesn't have any, does it?

Unfortunately the more ignorant amongst us just seem to struggle with the basics.

Yes, we know. You prove it every time you make a post on here. And have been doing so for the amount of time in which most people could have gone from scratch to getting at least an MSc in plasma physics. Twice. Maybe thrice.

The Ulysses did actual find something that looks remarkably like the ELECTRIC SUN.

No, it didn't. It found the number of electrons to be ~ = to the number of ions. And it found the magnetic field to be heading outwards. Which totally contradicts your woo.

The charged dust seems to have no trouble, why would'nt the electrons as well?

Didn't read it did you? Rhetorical. Once the smaller particles become charged, as they get closer to the Sun, they then get deflected by the IMF. Why wouldn't the non-existent electrons, with a far higher charge to mass ratio?

Now, I know jd116 has no idea about complex plasmas as he struggles with is plasma is a gas, like most astronomers.

I have a far better idea than you, or anyone else in your cult. Mind you, that would only take a few years of reading relevant textbooks, and listening to people who do know what they are talking about. Which you have shown a complete inability to do.

but...

Throw a little charged dust into the mix and he blown completely out of his depth.

Ass-backwards. You just demonstrated your inability to understand what you read. As usual.

Dust particles from outer space

Wait, what?



Is the dust charged though? Well, apparently.



but

Are they charged?

Right, good to know.

Yep;

2.2.2. Particle Charge

Our model assumes a constant charge for the particles on their path throughout the solar system. The rate of photoemission and the rate of charged particles picked up from the solar wind plasma both depend on the inverse square distance to the Sun, which—owing to secondary electron emission—leads to an equilibrium voltage of about +5 V for particles with radius 1 μm and larger in average solar wind conditions (Mukai 1981; Grün et al. 1994). Particles of radius 0.03 μm have a slightly larger potential, and particles with smaller radii than 0.03 μm decrease in potential with decreasing size (Mukai 1981). Kempf et al. (2004) found from in situ measurements with the Cassini Cosmic Dust Analyser that the charge of interplanetary dust particles near Saturn was about +5 V.

Now, call me stupid, but aren't electrons negatively charged? And in the impossible electric sun 'model' are they not supposed to be flowing inwards with said negative charge, towards an impossible + charged electric sun? So, how come + charged dust is flowing at least part way inwards towards an anode? Answers on a postcard!

SIXTEEN YEARS OF ULYSSES INTERSTELLAR DUST MEASUREMENTS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM. III. SIMULATIONS AND DATA UNVEIL NEW INSIGHTS INTO LOCAL INTERSTELLAR DUST
Sterken, V. J. et al (2016)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/812/2/141/pdf

Took me two minutes to find that, and maybe 10 to read it to find the relevant information. Why are you cultists not capable of doing the same?

The solar wind is comprised of current sheets and flux tubes. Electric currents.

The solar wind is not a current. Want me to repeat Alfven's explanation of why it can't be? That a 12 year old could understand? Read it, and then send it to the clown Scott.

The correlation of the magnetic storms and aurorae with the solar activity indicates that they are due to some agent emitted from the sun. As this agent causes magnetic and electric disturbances on the earth, it probably consists of charged particles. But, as Schuster has shown, the emission of a sufficient amount of particles, all having the same sign, is impossible because it would give rise to an enormous space charge. This difficulty is avoided if the emitted agent is assumed to consist of the equal amount of positive and negative particles.
Consequently the general nature of the current system during the main phase of a magnetic storm must be somewhat as follows. The stream approaching the earth contains positive and negative charge in equal amounts so that the electric current is zero. Through the action of the magnetic field of the earth the paths of the positives and of the negatives become differentiated, but until the particles reach the forbidden region, the space charge is always zero because the positives and negatives neutralize each other.

I've even bolded the most relevant parts for those who struggle with very basic concepts.

A THEORY OF MAGNETIC STORMS AND OF THE AURORAE
Alfven, H. (1939)

Why haven't either you or the klutz Scott ever read that paper? It is easily obtainable. Here is a 1970 re-publication of it;

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/EO051i003p00181

 

[jonesdave116]

Said it was wrong too.

No he didn't. Otherwise he was a fraud for accepting the 1970 Nobel Prize, yes?

 

[jonesdave116]

Just like Alfvén Triumphs Again (& Again)

From the article by the clueless oik Thornhill;

Astrophysicists’ theories bear no relation to reality. The luminosity of a star is not related to its massiveness because no nuclear fusion is taking place in its heavy element core.

And yet Alfven specifically stated that stars were powered by fusion in the core! So, yes, Alfven triumphs and Thornhill fails. As usual.

ON THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE SUN AND THE FORMATION OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM
Alfven, H. (1963)
https://adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1963ApJ...137..981A

 

[jonesdave116]

Like me 'ol mate, a PLASMA DOUBLE layer. And plasma instabilities in general.

This is observed and measured at comets.

No it isn't.

 

[tusenfem]

Well, not really.

What we, the EU, have more of an issue is why do you cant seem to grasp the electric fields and charge seperation.

Your math just wont allow it.

Then please edumacate us with EU math, surely there must be some?

 

[tusenfem]

Why dose'nt their electric field not just be neutralised?

who's doing the what, now?

 

[tusenfem]

Oh, you might have missed PLASMA is not a perfect conductor.

Guess I forgot about that, when I calculated the resistivity of a plasma ........

 

[tusenfem]

Said it was wrong too.

Nope, you are misquoting the dear late professor.

 

[tusenfem]

How does MHD handle plasmoids, tusenfem?

I’ll wait.

Just like any other magnetic structure.

Here is a paper by Zenitani describing the structure of a plasmoid in MHD (but I guess he "does not have the math" either)

Or a paper by Honkonen et al. "On large plasmoid formation in a global magnetohydrodynamic simulation"

Have fun, I will not wait, I have things to do.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I sort of enjoy Sol88's completely dethatched form of communication: Somebody asks a question or explains something, and he either picks up some phrases and pretend they support his position, or flies off at some tangent. It's as if he's not really present at all, just talking to himself, imagining he's having a great debate with some dreamed-up entity.

Hans

 

[SteveAitch]

I sort of enjoy Sol88's completely dethatched form of communication: Somebody asks a question or explains something, and he either picks up some phrases and pretend they support his position, or flies off at some tangent. It's as if he's not really present at all, just talking to himself, imagining he's having a great debate with some dreamed-up entity.

Hans

Wasn't that the basis of ELIZA?

 

[Sol88]

Just like any other magnetic structure.

Here is a paper by Zenitani describing the structure of a plasmoid in MHD (but I guess he "does not have the math" either)

Or a paper by Honkonen et al. "On large plasmoid formation in a global magnetohydrodynamic simulation"

Have fun, I will not wait, I have things to do.

cheers for the links.

Just had to brush up on my understanding of the electrostatic iono- sphere model used in the paper by Honkoen.

This gives the iono- spheric potential which is used as the electric field in the MHD equations.

Seems its not valid to use in this situation. as per

Beyond the Electrostatic Ionosphere: Dynamic Coupling of the Magnetosphere and Ionosphere

Many models of magnetospheric dynamics treat the ionosphere as a height-integrated slab in which the electric fields are electrostatic. However, in dynamic situations, the coupling between magnetosphere and ionosphere is achieved by the propagation of shear Alfvén waves. Hall effects lead to a coupling of shear Alfvén and fast mode waves, resulting in an inductive electric field and a compressional component of the magnetic field. It is in fact this compressional magnetic field that is largely responsible for the magnetic fields seen on the ground.

A fully inductive ionosphere model is required to describe this situation. The shear Alfvén waves are affected by the strong gradient in the Alfvén speed above the ionosphere, setting up the ionospheric Alfvén resonator with wave periods in the 1-10 second range. These waves develop a parallel electric field on small scales that can produce a broadband acceleration of auroral electrons, which form the Alfvénic aurora.

Since these electrons are relatively low in energy (hundreds of eV to a few keV), they produce auroral emissions as well as ionization at higher altitudes. Therefore, they can produce localized columns of ionization that lead to structuring in the auroral currents due to phase mixing or feedback interactions. This implies that the height-integrated description of the ionosphere is not appropriate in these situations. These considerations suggest that the Alfvénic aurora may, at least in some cases, act as a precursor to the development of a quasi-static auroral arc.

The acceleration of electrons and ions produces a density cavity at higher altitudes that favors the formation of parallel electric fields. Furthermore, the precipitating electrons will produce secondary and backscattered electrons that provide a necessary population for the formation of double layers. These interactions strongly suggest that the simple electrostatic boundary condition often assumed is inadequate to describe auroral arc formation.

Oooooh, double layers!

Anyhoo, back to Honkonen...

In this work we will refer to flux ropes in stage 2), e.g. connected to the Earth at both ends, as plasmoids.

So electric currents...that have magnetic fields, of course.

The observations of Moldwin and Hughes (1992) also suggest that plasmoids are open magnetic struc- tures, possibly flux ropes, and not closed loops of magnetic field lines.

What's driving all these electric currents?

 

[Sol88]

What are all these "shocks" they are banging on about?

Hot and dilute space plasma like that studied by Johlander et al. is often termed collisionless plasma because its constituent particles do not exchange energy or momentum through direct contact. As a result, collisionless plasmas tend to be far from thermal equilibrium. The rarity of collisions in such plasmas is what allows their constituent particles to propagate for a long time without losing energy. However, it does not mean that energy transfer between particles is completely shut off. Rather, charged particles in a collisionless plasma interact with each other through electromagnetic fields, which are generated by the collective motions of the particles themselves. This collective effect is complicated, introducing a variety of interesting dynamic phenomena. Most notably, it allows a small number of particles to be accelerated to enormous energies, far beyond the reach of humanmade particle accelerators.

This selective acceleration is what occurs when a shockwave, or shock for short, is generated in a collisionless plasma.

Inside a Plasma Shock

So a "shock" is...an electrostatic potential.

Charge seperation.

Ok got it.

Cheers tusenfem.

 

[jonesdave116]

So a "shock" is...an electrostatic potential.

Charge seperation.

Ok got it.

Cheers tusenfem.

Not. Even. Close.

 

[jonesdave116]

Oooooh, double layers!

Errrr, we've known about DLs in the magnetosphere since the 70s, iirc. See Forest Mozer and co-authors, among others.

What's driving all these electric currents?

What currents?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Errrr, we've known about DLs in the magnetosphere since the 70s, iirc. See Forest Mozer and co-authors, among others.






What currents?

The special 'dark electricity' currents that both power our sun and are completely undetectable by the most sensitive instruments we possess.

The currents that must flow through earth with more power than the sun itself provides yet cannot be tapped or transfer energy until the magic in the sun happens.

The currents that are made up of unlectrons, charged particles that can move against the solar wind and trough the magnetic field of the sun against any know laws of electricity.

The currents that can pop into existence without something driving them and cannot be described by any form of mathematics.

 

[jonesdave116]

The special 'dark electricity' currents that both power our sun and are completely undetectable by the most sensitive instruments we possess.

The currents that must flow through earth with more power than the sun itself provides yet cannot be tapped or transfer energy until the magic in the sun happens.

The currents that are made up of unlectrons, charged particles that can move against the solar wind and trough the magnetic field of the sun against any know laws of electricity.

The currents that can pop into existence without something driving them and cannot be described by any form of mathematics.

Ahh, I hadn't considered those. Silly me!

 

[Sol88]

Errrr, we've known about DLs in the magnetosphere since the 70s, iirc. See Forest Mozer and co-authors, among others.






What currents?

Indeed.

 

[Sol88]

Not. Even. Close.

love your denial and gaslighting!

Keeps me keen.