Electric universe theories here.

[jonesdave116]

Again, flopping around out of water shoot’n ya trap off.



link

Learn to understand what you are reading, yes? What the hell has this got to do with the idiotic claims of amateurs like Scott that electrons can drift in past a magnetic field heading in the opposite direction at ~ 350 km/s? Get a clue.

 

[jonesdave116]

Dude, I can hardly hear you anymore. The whole you’re digging is getting too deep.

Or are you actually trying to say the Cluster scientist are morons?

Big call there cobber.

Nobody on the Cluster mission made such idiotic claims. Get an education.

 

[Sol88]

Where are these currents? They'd be bleedin' obvious.

You don’t think they are?

 

[jonesdave116]

You don’t think they are?

Name of peer-reviewed paper that claims to see them. Not just crap on a neo-Velikovskian website. An actual physicist. Whoops! You don't have any, do you!

 

[Sol88]

Yes, you are quite right. It is an important distinction.

However, I think my other point about white dwarfs is still interesting: what do EU imagine that white dwarfs come from? If normal stars are not powered from fusion, why do they develop into white dwarfs? Or do EU “theorists” believe that white dwarfs do not develop from normal stars?

WHITE DWARFS

Eddington himself expressed his puzzlement about white dwarfs: “Strange objects, which persist in showing a type of spectrum entirely out of keeping with their luminosity, may ultimately teach us more than a host which radiates according to rule.” He was right.

A white dwarf is a star that is under low electrical stress so that bright ‘anode tufting’ is not required. The star appears extremely hot, white and under-luminous because it is equivalent to having the faint white corona discharge of the Sun reach down to the star’s atmosphere. As usual, a thin plasma sheath will be formed between the plasma of the star and the plasma of space. The electric field across the plasma sheath is capable of accelerating electrons to generate X-rays when they hit atoms in the atmosphere. And the power dissipated is capable of raising the temperature of a thin plasma layer to tens of thousands of degrees.

Electric Stars

 

[Sol88]

With this map, we can really start to probe the influences of magnetic fields on star formation in superbubbles," says Goodman. "And for that matter, get a better grasp on how these fields influence numerous other cosmic phenomena."

Because magnetic fields only affect the movement and orientation of charged particles in astrophysical environments, Goodman says there has been a tendency to set aside the fields' influence when building simulations and theories where gravity—which acts on all matter—is the primary force at play. Further discouraging its inclusion, magnetism can be a fiendishly complex force to model.

This omission of magnetic fields' influence, while understandable, often leaves out a key factor controlling motions of gas in the universe. These motions include gas flowing onto stars as they form, and flowing away from stars in powerful jets emanating from them as they gather matter into a planet-forming disk. Even if the effect of magnetic fields is miniscule from moment-to-moment in the low-density environments where stars form, given the millions-of-year timescales it takes to gather gas and turn it into stars, magnetic effects can plausibly add up to something substantial over time.

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Sums it up perfectly. Replace gas with plasma of course. Correct terminology and all.

Good to see the mainstream mob getting onboard. Going to be a big day when they have to use something other than MHD.

 

[jonesdave116]

Electric Stars

[qimg]https://www.holoscience.com/wp/twinkle-twinkle-electric-star/[/qimg]

No such thing as electric stars. That is scientifically impossible nonsense, only believed by unqualified cultists.

 

[jonesdave116]

link


Sums it up perfectly. Replace gas with plasma of course. Correct terminology and all.

Stars form from molecular clouds. As observed. Why do you think they are called 'molecular'?

 

[tusenfem]

Electric Stars

My gawd, that is pathetic

 

[Ziggurat]

Electric Stars

So the Juergens model again, which is demonstrably nonsense. We've gone through this before, years ago. You have added nothing. You have learned nothing. You are as delusional as ever.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Ignorant? No but you seem to be, why?

Well, you caught me there. Seems I was unaware of the relatively recent discovery of the magnet field of our galaxy.

So, how does this extremely weak field influence Earth, or our solar system, in your opinion?

Hans

 

[Ziggurat]

Well, you caught me there. Seems I was unaware of the relatively recent discovery of the magnet field of our galaxy.

So, how does this extremely weak field influence Earth, or our solar system, in your opinion?

Hans

It doesn't and it can't, to any appreciable degree. I've done the calculations.

This is yet another case where basic arithmetic would have shown Sol88 how incredibly wrong he is, but he can't do any math. None of the EU folks can.

 

[jonesdave116]

My gawd, that is pathetic

Not only that, it is deliberately misleading. It tries to tie the impossible electric sun 'model' to plasma cosmology. Alfven sure as hell didn't believe such nonsense, and neither does Peratt. It is purely an invention of the Velikovskians. Although even V did not accept it.

Then we have;

The so-called ‘winds’ and ‘jets’ of stars are a form of ‘dark current

When Alfven explained, in terms a 12 year old could understand, why the solar wind cannot be a current!

Then we have the following idiocy;

An electric star is formed by the equivalent of a lightning bolt in a molecular (plasma) cloud.

Since when were molecular clouds formed of plasma? Something I have just easily found says;

The derived ionization fractions lie within the range 10^-7.5 to 10^-6.5

The Ionization Fraction in Dense Molecular Gas. I. Low-Mass Cores
Williams, J. P. & Bergin, E. A. (1998)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1086/306034/fulltext/37895.text.html


If you want to call that a plasma, fine. Just don't expect people not to laugh!

Thornhill truly is clueless above and beyond the level of normal clueless people. He has taken cluelessness to a whole new level!

 

[jonesdave116]

It doesn't and it can't, to any appreciable degree. I've done the calculations.

This is yet another case where basic arithmetic would have shown Sol88 how incredibly wrong he is, but he can't do any math. None of the EU folks can.

Here is another calculation by Prof. Emory 'Ted' Bunn, years ago on a newgroup. It shows that Zig's calcs, and his, are in the same ballpark.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/bunn_on_plasma.txt

 

[Ziggurat]

Here is another calculation by Prof. Emory 'Ted' Bunn, years ago on a newgroup. It shows that Zig's calcs, and his, are in the same ballpark.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/bunn_on_plasma.txt

Interesting. He's actually calculating a different force than I was calculating. I calculated the Lorenz force (qv x B) due to a charged sun moving through a magnetic field. He calculated the force of a magnetic gradient applied to the magnetic dipole moment of the sun (grad(m dot B)). Apparently the latter is larger than I expected, but still way, way too small.

He also estimates the charge on the sun to be limited to around 3 Coulombs, which is probably too low. 100 Coulombs is a better estimate. But that difference can't close the gap, not even close, on electrostatic calculations.

So yeah, there's multiple ways to come up with estimates, but all of them show that the idea of electromagnetic forces playing a significant role in galactic orbits is ridiculous.

 

[Sol88]

Well, you caught me there. Seems I was unaware of the relatively recent discovery of the magnet field of our galaxy.

So, how does this extremely weak field influence Earth, or our solar system, in your opinion?

Hans

Not about catching you out. Why would i?

Today’s new story...

Astronomers create new microwave map of the Milky Way and beyond

An international team of scientists have successfully mapped the magnetic field of our galaxy, the Milky Way, using telescopes that observe the sky in the microwave range. The new research is published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Now you know.

 

[Sol88]

Interesting. He's actually calculating a different force than I was calculating. I calculated the Lorenz force (qv x B) due to a charged sun moving through a magnetic field. He calculated the force of a magnetic gradient applied to the magnetic dipole moment of the sun (grad(m dot B)). Apparently the latter is larger than I expected, but still way, way too small.

He also estimates the charge on the sun to be limited to around 3 Coulombs, which is probably too low. 100 Coulombs is a better estimate. But that difference can't close the gap, not even close, on electrostatic calculations.

So yeah, there's multiple ways to come up with estimates, but all of them show that the idea of electromagnetic forces playing a significant role in galactic orbits is ridiculous.

Hello, McFly. What the hell are you using electrostatics for?

You show your true ignorance.

However, in a footnote Eddington reveals the fundamental limitation of his theory of stars: “The difficulty is to account for the escape of positively charged particles; unless charges of both signs are leaving the escape is immediately stopped by an electrostatic field.” This statement will reverberate down the years as one of the gravest mistakes in science. It is an ELECTROSTATIC model of an isolated, self-contained star. But stellar magnetism is an ELECTRODYNAMIC phenomenon, requiring electric currents flowing in circuits beyond the star.

electric stars

 

[Ziggurat]

Hello, McFly. What the hell are you using electrostatics for?

God damn, but that's a stupid question. Electrostatics would be used to calculate the electric force between a charged sun and a charged galactic core. Duh.

And this is obviously not the only electromagnetic force to consider. We linked to calculations of multiple other force components, so we explicitly did not limit consideration to electrostatics. The point is that NONE of the force components are anywhere near big enough.

electric stars

Repeatedly linking to stupidity doesn't show you're smart.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Not about catching you out. Why would i?

Today’s new story...

Astronomers create new microwave map of the Milky Way and beyond



Now you know.

Yes, I just looked that up before I posted. Then I asked you how it would influence the Sun and the Earth. Care to answer?

Hans

 

[Sol88]

God damn, but that's a stupid question. Electrostatics would be used to calculate the electric force between a charged sun and a charged galactic core. Duh.

And this is obviously not the only electromagnetic force to consider. We linked to calculations of multiple other force components, so we explicitly did not limit consideration to electrostatics. The point is that NONE of the force components are anywhere near big enough.



Repeatedly linking to stupidity doesn't show you're smart.

What are you trying to calculate? Why don’t you try something a little closer.

The forces between a charged sun and the charged earth. See how ya go.