Electric universe theories here.

[Ziggurat]

However, I think my other point about white dwarfs is still interesting: what do EU imagine that white dwarfs come from? If normal stars are not powered from fusion, why do they develop into white dwarfs? Or do EU “theorists” believe that white dwarfs do not develop from normal stars?

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't think stellar evolution happens. After all, we've never seen that transition.

Kinda ironic, given that it's all descended from Velikovskian nonsense.

 

[Sol88]

But WHERE is the power coming from, WHAT is the "BATTERY"????



No, they may have had a mock-up of something, with a power generator attached. Where is the power generator in outer space which drives the currents powering the Sun?????



Currents can only flow when they are generated, so just assuming "there is a current" does not cut the cheese, if you do not give an actual generator.



Well, as of now there is NO "mainstream" paper from Thornhill and Scott describing in detail how the Sun is driven electrically, because ... there is no way in space to do something like that.



What does the UN have to do with all this? Are you now trying to make this a conspiracy?

The big battery is the Universe, of course...

Charge seperation in an infinitely old infinitely large plasma universe threaded by electric currents.

Our suns plasma cell is dragged thru the milky ways magnetic field, all sorts of fun ensures.

Pretty easy way to generate electric currents.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Oh really? Are you that ignorant?

The big battery is the Universe, of course...

Charge seperation in an infinitely old infinitely large plasma universe threaded by electric currents.

Our suns plasma cell is dragged thru the milky ways magnetic field, all sorts of fun ensures.

Pretty easy way to generate electric currents.

Except that we don't observe such a magnetic field. And there are few things as easy to observe as magnet fields. In fact only your general ignorance of physics seems to top it.

Hans

 

[Sol88]

So you reckon no galactic magnetic field? Ok.

 

[MRC_Hans]

So you reckon no galactic magnetic field? Ok.

A galactic field as such? Not one we can detect. Various objects have magnetic fields, but a general field from the galaxy is not in evidence.

Hans

 

[jonesdave116]

So you reckon no galactic magnetic field? Ok.

It's puny. And is beside the point. It ain't getting in. The IMF piles up where it balances the interstellar field at the heliopause. What do you think that is going to do? One thing it will do is ensure that Scott's drift current can't get in either! Where does he address this? Given that it is a plasma physics process, and he is an engineer, I suspect nowhere.

 

[jonesdave116]

One would expect the power to come into the poles of the sun. Same as here on Earth and all the planets with a plasma sphere. Those bodies exposed to the solar wind would be like our moon, asteroids and comets.

Thornhill and Scott proved the electric sun model. I’m sure if they had some spare change they do another Ulysses mission.

Wouldn’t get hang up just yet sport on the power source, you just keep yourself busy working out the solar wind. You’ve only just come to the realisation that the solar wind has fine structure...of electric currents.

Pity mainstream have been usurped by the EU. Wouldn’t expect anything published in any peer reviewed literature. Why would they?

Science just doesn’t work that way, according to the United Nations.

Thornhill and Scott proved nothing. They are both clueless. The electric sun is impossible. EU is a neo-Velikovskian cult with no science and no scientists.

And where are the observations of anything coming in at the poles? Ulysses certainly saw nothing. And where are the telescopic observations using eclipses and coronagraphs? There is nothing coming in. We know how the Sun is powered. All the evidence supports it. You have a flat earth level 'model' which is impossible and has no evidence. Obviously.

 

[jonesdave116]

The big battery is the Universe, of course...

Charge seperation in an infinitely old infinitely large plasma universe threaded by electric currents.

Our suns plasma cell is dragged thru the milky ways magnetic field, all sorts of fun ensures.

Pretty easy way to generate electric currents.

Where are these currents? They'd be bleedin' obvious.

 

[jonesdave116]

Vela pulsar wind nebula X-rays are polarized to near the synchrotron limit



So, a force free field aligned current.

further...

Evidence for powerful winds and the associated reverse shock as the origin of the Fermi bubbles


Wind?? Electric currents more correctly.

These current carrying plasmas can have instabilities, Pinch, Kink, Tearing, Diocotron, Double layers, just to name a few

More comprehensive list on plasma instability

They are heading outwards! They are not drifting in against a magnetic field heading in the opposite direction at ~ 350 km/s! How is Scott doing that in his befuddled mind? And the solar wind is not a current. It cannot be. Only the terminally clueless would claim otherwise. Need I quote Alfven again?

 

[jonesdave116]

with Scott an Thornhill and the the mob who ran the experiment are now a commercial venture.

https://aureon.ca/science

Specialising in transmutation of radioactive waste among many other discoveries.

Which is a scam. As their own plasma physicist told us. They transmuted precisely nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVQyY4iK7gA

Childs is 'a fraud'. As their plasma physicist also told us. Their claims are 'fraudulent'. As their plasma physicist told us. The project team were 'bozos'. As their plasma physicist told us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVdPgkudC8

It is a very transparent scam. Funded by a Velikovskian nutjob.

 

[jonesdave116]

How are these current sheets formed in space plasmas? Ziggurat?

In the case of magnetic reconnection? I'm no expert, but I would have thought, given that reconnection is between fields of opposite direction (terminology?) then a current sheet must form, no? Just as with the heliospheric current sheet.
One field is pointing thataway >>>>>> and the other is pointed thisaway <<<<<<. So, you get;

>>>>>>
.............

<<<<<<

Where > & < is the field direction, and .......... is the current sheet?

Surely it is the same as the cross-tail current sheet in the magnetosphere, and at comets? Tusenfem would know better than me. And I would know better than you. And Scott. And Thornhill.

 

[jonesdave116]

A galactic field as such? Not one we can detect. Various objects have magnetic fields, but a general field from the galaxy is not in evidence.

Hans

Actually, we can put limits on galactic magnetic fields from observation. They usually come in at somewhere between ~ 0.1 - 1.0 nT. The field carried by the solar wind, for instance, at 1 AU, is ~ 5 nT, for comparison. Ziggurat used these values in a calculation he did years ago to explain to an EU acolyte why you cannot explain accelerating ~ charge neutral stars around the galaxy with EM forces;

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3420696&postcount=54

So, the field exists, as it must. It just can't do the things that EUists claim. Its origin is still a matter of some debate. However, the 'Biermann battery' looks the best candidate;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermann_battery

 

[Sol88]

In the case of magnetic reconnection? I'm no expert, but I would have thought, given that reconnection is between fields of opposite direction (terminology?) then a current sheet must form, no? Just as with the heliospheric current sheet.
One field is pointing thataway >>>>>> and the other is pointed thisaway <<<<<<. So, you get;

>>>>>>
.............

<<<<<<

Where > & < is the field direction, and .......... is the current sheet?

Surely it is the same as the cross-tail current sheet in the magnetosphere, and at comets? Tusenfem would know better than me. And I would know better than you. And Scott. And Thornhill.

Plasmoid formation from the break up of a current sheets. This is your magnetic reconnection.

 

[Sol88]

Oh really? Are you that ignorant?



Except that we don't observe such a magnetic field. And there are few things as easy to observe as magnet fields. In fact only your general ignorance of physics seems to top it.

Hans

Ignorant? No but you seem to be, why?

 

[Sol88]

Which is a scam. As their own plasma physicist told us. They transmuted precisely nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVQyY4iK7gA

Childs is 'a fraud'. As their plasma physicist also told us. Their claims are 'fraudulent'. As their plasma physicist told us. The project team were 'bozos'. As their plasma physicist told us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVdPgkudC8

It is a very transparent scam. Funded by a Velikovskian nutjob.

You wish. You’re just flopping around out of water jd116.

 

[jonesdave116]

Plasmoid formation from the break up of a current sheets. This is your magnetic reconnection.

Nope. Learn to read. MR first, plasmoids later. How the hell are plasmoids causing reconnection? Lol.

 

[jonesdave116]

You wish. You’re just flopping around out of water jd116.

Nope. I corresponded with the plasma physicist involved. There is no transmutation. It is a scam. Childs is a scammer. Show me the evidence for transmutation. There is none. They lied.

 

[jonesdave116]

Plasmoid formation from the break up of a current sheets. This is your magnetic reconnection.

Not according to any plasma physicists. Only Velikovskian mythologists.

 

[Sol88]

They are heading outwards! They are not drifting in against a magnetic field heading in the opposite direction at ~ 350 km/s! How is Scott doing that in his befuddled mind? And the solar wind is not a current. It cannot be. Only the terminally clueless would claim otherwise. Need I quote Alfven again?

Again, flopping around out of water shoot’n ya trap off.

"The data show that the plasma turbulence is virtually two-dimensional and consists of thin current sheets that lie perpendicular to the plane of the average magnetic field of the solar wind," said Melvyn Goldstein of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, a co-author of the paper and the NASA Project Scientist for Cluster.

"This shows for the first time that the solar wind plasma is extremely structured at these very small scales," said Silvia Perri. "Although we haven't yet detected reconnection occurring at these sites, it is clear that we are seeing a release of energy approaching smaller and smaller scales, which may contribute to the overall heating of the solar wind."

link

 

[Sol88]

Not according to any plasma physicists. Only Velikovskian mythologists.

Dude, I can hardly hear you anymore. The whole you’re digging is getting too deep.

Or are you actually trying to say the Cluster scientist are morons?

Big call there cobber.