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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed? Part II.

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Pretty sure the Crimes he’s being charged with are not “failure to recycle” either. It’s a joke, son.
 
Nuh-uh!

Susheel said:
Just love it that she manages to get the knickers of certain people here in a twist. I guess she is doing something right.
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No she's not! She didn't collar that punk herself! She didn't go down there in her oh-I'm-so-organic sailboat n bust him w/ stream predjuice!

It took a buncha Rumanian cops to do it! So just go twist n shout about somebody's else's underwear, libster!
 
kookbreaker said:
Pretty sure the Crimes he’s being charged with are not “failure to recycle” either. It’s a joke, son.
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The claim is that the Romanian authorities wanted to arrest Tate for trafficking, but weren't sure he was actually in Romania, and couldn't authorize a raid without that vital information. When Tate responded to Greta's needling with a video clip that showed him to be at his home in Romania, the authorities got the information they needed and launched the raid.

The Romanian authorities have said it didn't happen that way, the raid was already planned, of course they already knew where Tate was, and the timing was a coincidence.
 
theprestige said:
The claim is that the Romanian authorities wanted to arrest Tate for trafficking, but weren't sure he was actually in Romania, and couldn't authorize a raid without that vital information. When Tate responded to Greta's needling with a video clip that showed him to be at his home in Romania, the authorities got the information they needed and launched the raid.

The Romanian authorities have said it didn't happen that way, the raid was already planned, of course they already knew where Tate was, and the timing was a coincidence.
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Still, he should have recycled that box.
 
Just a recap:

Greta's original demands for the mitigation of AGW have not been implemented in the least.

Has she brought attention to the problem?
Yes.

Has it had any effect on the problem?
No.

Success in activism is measured by results.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Just a recap: ...

Has it had any effect on the problem?
No....
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I see you are ignoring what I posted.

Define effect. Seems in your mind that means problem solved immediately and 100% attributed to Greta.

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, lie-la-lie
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I see you are ignoring what I posted.

Define effect. Seems in your mind that means problem solved immediately and 100% attributed to Greta.
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When Greta addressed audiences at COP and Davos, she laid out very clear, very specific emissions reduction targets, that needed to be met by very clear, very specific deadlines, in order to avoid a very clear catastrophic result for her generation and the generations to follow. She was very clear in these speeches that half measures and incremental improvements were inadequate and unacceptable to her. She was very clear that they should be unacceptable to everyone.

The changes you have been willing to settle for, the changes you attribute to her efforts, are not the changes she wanted. They're not the changes she thinks you should settle for. Having resulted only in these changes, her efforts have been in vain.

Your celebration of Greta is premised on dismissing her actual goals and substituting them with your own. Even though she's been quite clear that your goals are woefully inadequate to the task at hand. And you respond with personal abuse whenever this is pointed out. Why? Are you really that invested in doing almost nothing, calling it good, and crediting Greta for inspiring your infinitesimal comfort-zone "efforts"?
 
theprestige said:
When Greta addressed audiences at COP and Davos, she laid out very clear, very specific emissions reduction targets, that needed to be met by very clear, very specific deadlines, in order to avoid a very clear catastrophic result for her generation and the generations to follow. She was very clear in these speeches that half measures and incremental improvements were inadequate and unacceptable to her. She was very clear that they should be unacceptable to everyone.

The changes you have been willing to settle for, the changes you attribute to her efforts, are not the changes she wanted. They're not the changes she thinks you should settle for. Having resulted only in these changes, her efforts have been in vain.

Your celebration of Greta is premised on dismissing her actual goals and substituting them with your own. Even though she's been quite clear that your goals are woefully inadequate to the task at hand. And you respond with personal abuse whenever this is pointed out. Why? Are you really that invested in doing almost nothing, calling it good, and crediting Greta for inspiring your infinitesimal comfort-zone "efforts"?
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Maybe Greta Thunberg is playing 5D chess! She's a tough negotiator! She makes impossible demands so that anything is better than nothing. She's using the refuse-and-retreat technique. 100% Renewables now! She demands, "But I cannae dae it, Greta!" beseeches the world economy, sweat dripping from its brow (due to global warming). Okay, you can have nuclear too! She says with magnanimity.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Might mean something if Greta didn't demand zero fossil fuel use starting yesterday..
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That's your excuse for ignoring the changes that have occurred in fossil fuel use? :rolleyes:

Has enough been done?
Obviously not.​
Has addressing the problem begun and are mitigating measures continuing to increase?
Absolutely.​
 
theprestige said:
When Greta addressed audiences at COP and Davos, she laid out very clear, very specific emissions reduction targets, that needed to be met by very clear, very specific deadlines, in order to avoid a very clear catastrophic result for her generation and the generations to follow. She was very clear in these speeches that half measures and incremental improvements were inadequate and unacceptable to her. She was very clear that they should be unacceptable to everyone.
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So?

theprestige said:
The changes you have been willing to settle for, the changes you attribute to her efforts, are not the changes she wanted. They're not the changes she thinks you should settle for. Having resulted only in these changes, her efforts have been in vain.
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This is crap.

theprestige said:
Your celebration of Greta is premised on dismissing her actual goals and substituting them with your own. Even though she's been quite clear that your goals are woefully inadequate to the task at hand. And you respond with personal abuse whenever this is pointed out. Why? Are you really that invested in doing almost nothing, calling it good, and crediting Greta for inspiring your infinitesimal comfort-zone "efforts"?
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No, just no.
 
We should be surprised that the ideas of a teenager weren't accomplished by her actual attempt to address climate change? And she's still only 19.

Her age doesn't matter to her detractors here which I think is an easy way to dismiss most of the arguments. Her age is the main factor.

When I was her age I was playing guitar, getting stoned and chasing girls. Mostly getting stoned.

We'll see how she does once she reaches her (checks notes) twenties.

Anyways, most of us seem to get that. "Hate Greta and the climate change hoax, Hunter, all the dirty air will come from China anyways!" You can tell it's just right wing talking points because it doesn't make any sense.
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
Just a recap:

Greta's original demands for the mitigation of AGW have not been implemented in the least.

Has she brought attention to the problem?
Yes.

Has it had any effect on the problem?
No.

Success in activism is measured by results.
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Holy crap, I never expected to find Idiotic Post of the Year on the very first day of 2023.

It's taken us 200 years to get to this point.

Suggesting someone has failed because we haven't fixed it in a couple of years is a level of absurdity I'd expect to find in a far-right think tank.

lionking said:
So many triggered by a 19 year old activist. A sight to behold.
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Another Great thing about Greta, she's very good at encouraging the sewer-dwelling rodents into the daylight to say something negative, thereby saving everyone else time figuring out whether someone is a complete dick or not.
 
theprestige said:
Analogy aside, my view is that Greta Thunberg the Child Celebrity was useful to the elites who invited her to address them at Davos and the COP events. She was useful to them because it gave them a way to pay lip service to the concerns of millions without actually doing any of the things she urged them to do.

And she was an idiot in the sense that she allowed herself to be used in this way, without realizing that she was being exploited by a cynical cabal that did not actually have her best interests in mind.
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So it would have been smarter for her to refuse the platform offered her? Diminish her voice to spite people that are less committed?
 
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