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Warp12 said:
But, he is good at something, right? Otherwise everyone would have their own Tesla or SpaceX.
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Yes. Because accidents of birth and luck never play a part in anything. everyone gets exactly what they work for and deserve and nobody ever 'lucks out'. Ever.
 
Warp12 said:
It isn't all luck, usually. Tbh, it sounds more like a lot of people are just being super-critical of Musk due to his success (because in their minds he doesn't deserve it), and celebrating his failures. If someone is doing that they are really fitting the textbook definition of a hater, imo.
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Sure. Couldn't be that Musk isn't perfect in every way.

So any criticism of him must be envy or hate
 
Robin said:
Sure. Couldn't be that Musk isn't perfect in every way.

So any criticism of him must be envy or hate
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Nobody said he was perfect.

"Any criticism"? What I see is practically all criticism here and elsewhere, and attempts to minimize his role in any accomplishments.

There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of the bandwagon critics popping up all over are motivated by envy or hate. If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door. Then they will set your house on fire and ravage your crops.

The only thing people love more than a hero is tearing one down.
 
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Warp12 said:
Nobody said he was perfect.

"Any criticism"? What I see is practically all criticism here, and attempts to minimize his role in any accomplishments.

There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of the bandwagon critics popping up all over are motivated by envy or hate. If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door. Then they will set your house on fire and ravage your crops.

The only thing people love more than a hero is tearing one down.
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He's a cartoonish right wing nut job and a homophobe.

That may be heroic to you. I see things differently.

So he employs some people who have brought out expensive electric cars and made some advances in space technology. Fine.

The idea that I'm supposed to think that the fact that he is joining in the current right wing pile on to smear gays as pedophiles is somehow ameliorated by some technical advances made by the people he employs is, tbh, nuts.

Character matters.
 
Robin said:
He's a cartoonish right wing nut job and a homophobe.

That may be heroic to you. I see things differently.

So he employs some people who have brought out expensive electric cars and made some advances in space technology. Fine.

The idea that I'm supposed to think that the fact that he is joining in the current right wing pile on to smear gays as pedophiles is somehow ameliorated by some technical advances made by the people he employs is, tbh, nuts.

Character matters.
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Well, I'm just saying...I'm not angry at Elon Musk, lol.

To each their own. :con2:
 
Warp12 said:
Well, I'm just saying...I'm not angry at Elon Musk, lol.

To each their own. :con2:
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What gave you the idea I was angry at Elon.Musk????

Do you think that criticism always implies anger?

I used "right wing nut job" the same way I use "Loony Leftie"

But as I say, character matters.
 
Robin said:
What gave you the idea I was angry at Elon.Musk????

Do you think that criticism always implies anger?

I used "right wing nut job" the same way I use "Loony Leftie"

But as I say, character matters.
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Look man, I'm not that emotionally invested.

I don't have his poster on the wall; he is not my personal hero or villain.

I am just sharing my opinions and observations related to this most recent outpouring of criticism.
 
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And people are making technological advances all the time all over the world. Somehow the rest of them seem to manage it without creating a personality cult around themselves.
 
Warp12 said:
Nobody said he was perfect.

"Any criticism"? What I see is practically all criticism here, and attempts to minimize his role in any accomplishments.

There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of the bandwagon critics popping up all over are motivated by envy or hate.
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Excellent mind-reading skills. Do you also pull rabbits out of hats?
 
Warp12 said:
But, he is good at something, right? Otherwise everyone would have their own Tesla or SpaceX.
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I can't speak for SpaceX but the reason he has got his own Tesla is that he had the money that the founders needed and he was good enough at boardroom politics to force them out.
 
angrysoba said:
I think people are upset that:
a) he's decided to use the platform to boost conspiracy theories and to commit baseless character assassination. b) disrupt the general eco-system so that the verification badge becomes meaningless

c) bring back a number of posters who were banned for violating ToSs against hate speech under the pretense that somehow the 1st amendment is the guiding principle of the platform (when it actually isn't)

d) replace a fairly haphazard moderating team with... nobody really knows

Now, sure, he can do these things on his platform, but people can criticize as well.

I mean have you seen how much people bitch and moan about the moderation on this forum? It is of course inevitable that people will complain about the moderating on a forum that has several magnitudes the number of users.
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I think you mean defame former employees
 
Has Musk actually accomplished anything beyond the PR thing of using his car as a test payload? I mean, SpaceX and Tesla have done some cool stuff, but as far as I can tell Musk was more of an obstacle to overcome to do accomplish things than a help.
 
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I Am The Scum said:
Here's a fun question for everyone:

Every once in a while you'll see the mega lottery jackpot break a new record. It goes into the hundreds of millions that, for most of us, would feel like an infinite amount of cash. And in these moments you can't help but daydream a little and wonder what it would be like. What would you do with all that money? Travel around the world? Buy the biggest lakeside mansion ever? Devote yourself to your hobbies in a way you never thought possible and live out the rest of your days in bliss?

Or... did you think you'd be spreading conspiracy theories on Twitter, making an ass of yourself in public, and sleeping in an office rather than your home, all the while being estranged from both your children and their mothers?
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Money makes people deranged. Money only increases happiness to the extent it reduces anxiety and a lot of people who become suddenly rich find this out the hard way. They generally don't realize it and chase the money dragon like any other addict and try to gather more and more material wealth because they move their baseline of what it means to feel well off higher and higher. At some point like any addict they can't get high anymore and that's when it really goes off the rails.


Musk went from being comfortably rich to stupid rich and is as unhappy a person as exists on earth. So he's chasing that dragon all over the place and wants to be a wise sage who knows things and is respected for all sorts of reasons.

(That a person whose wealth stems from apartheid era South African resource exploitation has white nationalist political instincts seems unsurprising to me, but maybe I missed something...)

If we are talking how a lump sum would affect my personal level of happiness my guess is it would be optimal in the higher six digits at this point. If I won hundreds of millions I'd give almost all of it away, probably create a massive endowment for my county school district. I've been around enough to see what having too much money does to people and no thanks.
 
Cat Not Included said:
Has Musk actually accomplished anything beyond the PR thing of using his card as a test payload? I mean, SpaceX and Tesla have done some cool stuff, but as far as I can tell Musk was more of an obstacle to overcome to do accomplish things than a help.
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Musk has a knack for identifying technology opportunities and betting big on them. This is a non-trivial skill. For example, with SpaceX he bet big on reusability, and he bet big on methane rockets. These were not completely original ideas, but he's the first to really bet the company on them, and those bets paid off. He's also bet big on full flow cycle rocket engines (the Raptor), and on steel rather than aluminum. Those bets haven't fully played out yet, but they are promising.
 
jimbob said:
I think you mean defame former employees
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Or endanger them with the manner of their doxing.

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Money makes people deranged. Money only increases happiness to the extent it reduces anxiety and a lot of people who become suddenly rich find this out the hard way.
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Alternately said, money is a form of power. Being powerless sucks. Having too much both invites temptation and entices abuse. It doesn't necessarily make people deranged, especially when they do not let that power influence their decision making, but it incentivizes it.
 
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Segnosaur said:
Are there any trustworthy/verified sources that show the video has been taken down?

(I did find an article on a site called WeGotThisCovered that points out that the video has been taken down by Twitter, but I am not sure what type of verification they do on stories.)

Of course I'm not sure why they would ban the video, since according to Musk (onTwitter):
Technically, it was 90% cheers & 10% boos (except during quiet periods)

Maybe they weren't booing... instead they were calling for B-urns from the simpsons.
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TragicMonkey said:
I've seen it in a dozen different places on Reddit so far.
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Trying to verify this I also saw the screen shots many places but also found that the video is up on different Twitter accounts. Which is all consistent with accounts being deleted by Twitter for hosting it (and not keeping up because the company is hollow) or by three (that I've found) accounts deactivating themselves after fear and/or abuse (by the Nazis and weird followers of Musk).
 
Ziggurat said:
Musk has a knack for identifying technology opportunities and betting big on them. This is a non-trivial skill. For example, with SpaceX he bet big on reusability, and he bet big on methane rockets. These were not completely original ideas, but he's the first to really bet the company on them, and those bets paid off. He's also bet big on full flow cycle rocket engines (the Raptor), and on steel rather than aluminum. Those bets haven't fully played out yet, but they are promising.
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Has he? Look at his other stuff - the solar roof tiles and his robots come to mind. Never mind the big stuff like the Boring company.
 
Charities' dismay as Twitter disbands safety group https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63907708
….. Twitter has disbanded the volunteer group which advised it on self-harm, child abuse and hate speech.
The Trust and Safety Council, formed in 2016, contained about 100 independent groups such as Samaritans and the UK Safer Internet Centre (UKSIC).
Elon Musk's Twitter had been due to meet the group on Monday, but instead disbanded it via email.
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