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Merged Musk buys Twitter!/ Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold....

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jeremyp said:
Apple isn't going to change the model, otherwise that would provide a loophole for app providers to get free distribution on the Apple app store because Apple does not charge anything for hosting a free app.
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Apple ain't going to change it because it makes them so much money!
 
jeremyp said:
He realised how stupid he looked. Maybe it's the first time ever.
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He has been writing then deleting a lot of tweets over the past few weeks. If he were half as smart as people say he is, he'd put his damn phone down and engage with the public through a PR rep.
 
lobosrul5 said:
And just fyi contracts do not become null and void when ownership of a corporation changes.
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And let us not forget that the only reason Musk is in this mess in the first place is because he failed to weasel out of the last contract he was in.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
More likely his lawyers saw the tweet and went to whatever member of staff with admin rights left at twitter and got them to pull the whole page, in the hopes that Apple didn't see it.
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Doubt it, I've attached a copy. Can't see that being much worse than his tweets that have been left up. Unless anyone thinks "go to war" was meant literally perhaps :confused:

 
Warp12 said:
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who don't want to pay 30%. Your comment makes zero sense. "Since he knew about it in advance, even before his plans to purchase Twitter, he should not now take a stand against Apple's tyranny".

People should be celebrating this. As you seem to reluctantly want to do, but can't resist being critical of him.
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Yes, if there's someone who's a hero in all of this, it's definitely the world's richest man currently trying to monetize a formally free service by charging people to use it.
 
Darat said:
Thats not the issue - the issue is that he wants to be able to charge people for subscriptions, and if you do that through an app you've downloaded via the App Store Apple takes a cut of every payment made. So they would get 30% of "his" $7.99 per month. That's what he has just learned about.

Now personally I'm actually with him, I think the Apple model (and the Google model) is legal extortion, sure charge a small handling fee for taking the payments via their payment system - you know say 5%. This is why you can't now buy a Kindle book through the Kindle app downloaded via the App or Play stores.

But he isn't going to be the one to shift Apple's stance on this - he has no leverage to use against Apple.
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I think perhaps you are underestimating what developers get for that 15/30% cut:

https://developer.apple.com/programs/whats-included/

It is a helluva lot more than a payment processing system. And not only that for a business operating in a free to use, ad supported manner (ie Twitter pretty much), they offer all of that for... free.

ETA: FYI I'm not an Apple person. The only Apple hardware I have is an AppleTV 4k. Other than that I'm either Android or Wintel. I do not like their "walled garden" approach. But there really is no legal precedent in the United States for it to be an illegal method for a business to operate.
 
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Suddenly said:
There is a whole visual metaphor there w/r/t the dodgy quality of Tesla's self driving software and Musk's sudden bursts of self-sabotage.
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Yes, several people on Twitter commented along those lines.

"Nice to see a Tesla doing a dangerous manouver"

"Nah, that's not a Tesla, it's not on fire"

"No, sometimes they're not on fire, they're just catching fire"

Etc
 
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While moderation criteria may have been changed recently, that tweet would have been very likely to get someone suspended or banned before Musk took over. A lot of people have been banned for ironic or metaphorical posts which someone decided to read literally as threats of violence or death threats.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, if there's someone who's a hero in all of this, it's definitely the world's richest man currently trying to monetize a formally free service by charging people to use it.
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He ia about to find out somethng that anybody in marketing could tell you...getting people to pay for something they are used to get for free is just about the most difficult marketing task there is.
 
dudalb said:
He ia about to find out somethng that anybody in marketing could tell you...getting people to pay for something they are used to get for free is just about the most difficult marketing task there is.
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I think he's about to find out a lot more than that.

"Don't try to run a company by breaking employment law and privacy laws in the EU, whilst also violating FTC directives with criminal liabilities, and losing your entire Payroll and US tax teams*, whilst at the same time trying to fight your biggest distributors and customers."

And that's just the start.

*I can't imagine the IRS would be incredibly impressed with that move, for example.
 
jimbob said:
I think he's about to find out a lot more than that.

"Don't try to run a company by breaking employment law and privacy laws in the EU, whilst also violating FTC directives with criminal liabilities, and losing your entire Payroll and US tax teams*, whilst at the same time trying to fight your biggest distributors and customers."

And that's just the start.

*I can't imagine the IRS would be incredibly impressed with that move, for example.
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When do salaried employees in the USA typically get paid? In the UK, it is usually the last working day of the month. If it's the same in the USA, without a payroll department, I would expect there to be issues at Twitter today.
 
jeremyp said:
When do salaried employees in the USA typically get paid? In the UK, it is usually the last working day of the month. If it's the same in the USA, without a payroll department, I would expect there to be issues at Twitter today.
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My experience has been that payroll is distributed every two weeks. Of course I am sure there are some exceptions.
 
jeremyp said:
When do salaried employees in the USA typically get paid? In the UK, it is usually the last working day of the month. If it's the same in the USA, without a payroll department, I would expect there to be issues at Twitter today.
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It varies by company. Some pay every 2 weeks. Some pay on the 15th and last day of the month, or the 1st and 15th of each month. It's pretty rare that a company will only pay once a month, but I have seen a couple instances. It's also not unusual to have a weekly salary payout.
 
catsmate said:
Wrt Sinead McSweeney Twitter has caved.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2022/1130/1339217-twitter-executive/
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This is my favourite bit

Mr Justice Brian O’Moore extended the orders he made last week and adjourned the action until the end of next month.

He warned that if the matter was to be resolved, it was critical that both sides engaged with a level of genuineness and forthrightness with each other.

He said if that did not happen, they would all be back in court in January, February and March of next year.
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Twitter's lawyers have struck oil. I wonder if Musk has factored legal bills into his projections of Twitter's expenses.
 
jeremyp said:
This is my favourite bit



Twitter's lawyers have struck oil. I wonder if Musk has factored legal bills into his projections of Twitter's expenses.
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For me it was this bit

"He said that would be best achieved by a direct meeting between Ms McSweeney and a senior member of HR in the organisation and that was something it wanted to do."​

I wonder if he said at the end under his breath - "When we can find a bloody senior member of HR"
 
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