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Merged Musk buys Twitter!/ Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold....

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What do you guys suppose is going to happen to Twitter?

Will it continue to grow in usage and cultural relevance?

Will it suddenly crash and never recover for lack of available expertise?

Will it wither and fade (as MySpace did) to be replaced by more well-subscribed alternatives?
 
Ziggurat said:
angrysoba's characterization of what Musk said is incorrect. Here's the relevant tweet:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595196519598080000



"this condition" being the content moderation council. So it was about advertising, but according to Musk it wasn't directed at advertisers directly, but activists, and he didn't claim that the advertisers were in the wrong, but that activists were.
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I didn't assume that angrysoba was talking about that Tweet where Musk lied but not about the advertisers.

That said, angrysoba has not provided a citation for what he claims, so I'll accept Musk didn't say "the advertisers were in the wrong" unless a citation is forthcoming.

Is Elon's account accurate?
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No.

He has been refuted by at least on e of the "activist" groups on Twitter. Furthermore, you can't trust Elon Musk to tell the truth about anything. I'm not saying he never tells the truth, but he lies so often he cannot be considered a reliable source.
 
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jeremyp said:
He has been refuted by at least on e of the "activist" groups on Twitter. Furthermore, you can't trust Elon Musk to tell the truth about anything. I'm not saying he never tells the truth, but he lies so often he cannot be considered a reliable source.
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I don't think this point can be over emphasized.

We can cite things like when he blatantly lied about what the ad companies said their concerns were, when he then blocked the ad exec that contradicted him. We can cite the times where he lied about how Twitter works (or maybe was just arrogantly and aggressively wrong about it) and then fired the employees who explained the reality.

But the depth of this is better illustrated by him saying he was not going to bring back Alex Jones because Jones exploited the deaths of children, and his own first born died in his arms.

His first born died in the mother's arms.

This was Musk lying about the death of his first born to gain internet points, exploiting the death of his own child. Furthermore, he has been critical of his ex-wife's mourning of that child for an excessive amount of time (three months at the first time he did this). Not only that, but he has protected others who have exploited the exact same shootings Jones did like MTG, but for political gain rather than monetary gain. (As far as I know, wouldn't surprise me given that she literally harassed the survivors.)

Is it any wonder there are so many misconceptions about him with is constant, deep running, lying? Even people in this thread said he couldn't be close to an incel because he has ten children...nine of which were conceived with IVF and he himself complained he hadn't had sex in a long time. I wouldn't call him an 'incel' myself but his kids don't prove that.
 
I recently moved to Mastodon from Twitter and couldn’t be happier. So long petulant billionaire man-child.
 
Ohh my is Musk really picking a fight with Apple? They can afford to be without Twitter a lot easier than Twitter without Apple. And they actually have deeper pockets, much deeper.
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597302404239659008/photo/1

Ohh the first post says just use crypto for payments! No one out there is shy about using that that these days... I'm sure.
 
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I'm sure they do. But this battle may well involve the courts and anti-trust issues, where money isn't always the deciding factor.
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Why would this involve any of that? On what premise? Apple isn't required to have Twitter as an option on their app store. Unless, of course, you know something I don't. Ask Epic how well it worked out for them when they took on Apple with regards to the 30% thing.

I hope Musk does take it to court, and decides to "wage war". It'll be just another great way for him to piss away a lot of money and walk away with absolutely nothing.
 
Musk and his sycophants are calling Apple anti-free speech for *checks notes* exercising free speech. That's fun.
 
plague311 said:
Why would this involve any of that? On what premise? Apple isn't required to have Twitter as an option on their app store. Unless, of course, you know something I don't. Ask Epic how well it worked out for them when they took on Apple with regards to the 30% thing.

I hope Musk does take it to court, and decides to "wage war". It'll be just another great way for him to piss away a lot of money and walk away with absolutely nothing.
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I can imagine how he came to learn about this secret charge Apple employs! He was probably going $7.99 * 1 billion, when someone pointed out that $7.99 won’t be $7.99 through the App Store.
 
Per Google:

Service fees · 15% for the first $1M (USD) of earnings each year, · 30% for earnings in excess of $1M (USD) each year
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Do it up, Musk! He's been talking about making his own cell phone.
 
plague311 said:
Ask Epic how well it worked out for them when they took on Apple with regards to the 30% thing.
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According to the court decision, the relevant market for that case was "digital mobile gaming transactions". Apple's non-monopoly status in that rather narrow market won't necessarily translate to non-monopoly status in the market that Twitter belongs to. Nor is that case actually finished, since it's under appeal.
 
Ziggurat said:
According to the court decision, the relevant market for that case was "digital mobile gaming transactions". Apple's non-monopoly status in that rather narrow market won't necessarily translate to non-monopoly status in the market that Twitter belongs to. Nor is that case actually finished, since it's under appeal.
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Twitters case would likely be even weaker than Epics, because you can always bypass their app store and go to twitter.com in a web browser, where you could pay the $8 outside of Apples pay system. What they cannot do is, in the app, direct people to do that. And almost certainly they signed a contract saying they won't. And just fyi contracts do not become null and void when ownership of a corporation changes.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Twitters case would likely be even weaker than Epics, because you can always bypass their app store and go to twitter.com in a web browser, where you could pay the $8 outside of Apples pay system. What they cannot do is, in the app, direct people to do that.
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That point is still under appeal in the Epic case. Epic actually won that point at trial, but the injunction against anti-steering is currently under a stay. Apple could lose on that issue both in the Epic appeal and in any suit with Twitter.

And almost certainly they signed a contract saying they won't. And just fyi contracts do not become null and void when ownership of a corporation changes.
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Sure, but Apple could also lose the ability to enforce that clause of their contract.
 
Zigg, if you want to hope and pray that Apple loses to Musk, you go right ahead. I don't think he has a leg to stand on because 1) Apple doesn't have a monopoly on markets (Android has one, Amazon has one, Epic has one, etc.) 2) Apple doesn't run a social media platform like Twitter, Facebook, etc. that I know of. If I'm wrong, someone feel free to point that out to me, but that would mean that Apple isn't in direct competition with Twitter 3) There is no requirement anywhere that Apple provide access to Twitter through its store and they've removed similar social media companies already.

So you keep those toes, fingers and legs crossed. Like I said, I'm hoping Musk does try it. I hate Apple almost as much as Musk, but if both of them could lose money in a lawsuit I would be pleased.
 
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Ziggurat said:
angrysoba's characterization of what Musk said is incorrect. Here's the relevant tweet:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595196519598080000



"this condition" being the content moderation council. So it was about advertising, but according to Musk it wasn't directed at advertisers directly, but activists, and he didn't claim that the advertisers were in the wrong, but that activists were.
Is Elon's account accurate? No idea. But I do know that what Elon said is substantially different than how angrysoba described it.
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It may be that I misunderstood, but exactly how can the activists starve Twitter of ad revenue?

We have seen ad people complain about Musk's behaviour and the chaos his job cutting has caused for them.

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Multiple top advertising agencies and media buyers told the Financial Times that nearly all of the big brands they represent have paused spending on the social media platform, citing alarm at Musk’s ad hoc approach to policing content and decision to axe many of its ad sales team.

Musk, meanwhile, has sought to personally call chief executives of some brands that have curbed advertising in order to berate them, according to one senior industry figure, leading others to instead reduce their spend to the bare minimum required so as to avoid further confrontation with the billionaire entrepreneur.

After several waves of job cuts and departures, Twitter’s ads business team has shrunk so much that many agencies no longer have any point of contact at the company and have received little to no communication in recent weeks, according to four industry insiders.

Some brands have been unable to get feedback on how previous campaigns have performed because of the staffing shortages, one media buyer said. Others are complaining Twitter’s ads systems have also become buggy, making it difficult or even impossible to run campaigns.

“It is quite unique. The turmoil, the damage, nothing of this magnitude has happened before. Never,” said a senior executive at a big four advertising agency.

“He seems to put off even those advertisers who wanted him to succeed,” another top advertising agency executive said.
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angrysoba said:
It may be that I misunderstood, but exactly how can the activists starve Twitter of ad revenue?

We have seen ad people complain about Musk's behaviour and the chaos his job cutting has caused for them.



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Cancel Culture is what gives the woke activist his power. It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

- Obi-Wan Kenobi, probably.
 
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