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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Louisiana Cops Sued After Dash Cam Video Showed They Lied About Why They Performed A Pretextual Stop


Courts have continually said pretextual stops are a cool way to engage in law enforcement fishing expeditions. But there are a few caveats.

First, there needs to be a reason to stop the person, even if that reason exists largely in the imaginative readings of local statutes by police officers. Second, the stop cannot be unreasonably extended past the point of its objective. When you hand out a citation or tell someone they’re free to go, they’re free to go. You can’t keep them detained while trying to find other ways to talk them into warrantless searches.

Finally, when you’re asked to defend your actions in court, your pretext had better hold up. And you had damn well better make sure you’re not recording evidence that contradicts your claims. That’s a fatal error, and one that appears to have been committed by two Louisiana cops now being sued by the people they pulled over, with the assistance of the Institute for Justice.

Mario Rosales and his girlfriend were driving through Alexandria, Louisiana when cops decided to pull them over. Prior to this stop, Rosales had stopped at a red light, signaled his intent to make a left hand turn, and made a legal left hand turn (with his blinker on) when the light turned green. All of this was dispassionately observed by the dash cam in Officer Samuel Terrell’s SUV.

You can read the rest at the link. tl/dr version: Cops illegally pull over car driven by Hispanic person, go on fishing expedition, fail to find anything important, get sued.
 
So I know that dashcam/bodycams more often than not support the police, and, presumably, that is even in contested situations. But still, you gotta wonder about how much lying has gone on that doesn't get recorded?

I mean, I've seen a bodycam video of police planting drugs in a search. If that is what happens when you have video, what happens without it? They wouldn't even have to try to hide it.
 
Omfg....

Now that the campaign season is over, I want to clear up the claims about Albuquerque’s crime stats. Over 5 years, overall, property and violent crime are down, thanks to the officers, detectives and professionals throughout APD.

https://twitter.com/ABQPoliceChief/status/1590465609418297344

So, we had been absolutely inundated with campaign ads that the current governor was horrible on crime and everything is going to ****. APD formally endorsed the republican candidate for governor. Now 3 whole ******* days after the election the chief of police is tweeting... you know actually things arent all that bad. In other words he's a lying sack of **** that no one should believe.
 
Lets face it, y'gotta watch these roided up wronguns. Thank goodness they manged to suppress the threat.

 
So I know that dashcam/bodycams more often than not support the police, and, presumably, that is even in contested situations. But still, you gotta wonder about how much lying has gone on that doesn't get recorded?

I mean, I've seen a bodycam video of police planting drugs in a search. If that is what happens when you have video, what happens without it? They wouldn't even have to try to hide it.

Beyond the lying, there are the cases where the memory of the cops is legitimately distorted by natural human bias. Which is some ways is scarier and just as much a reason for making video mandatory.

It's a semi-regular thing, not that often but not unusual, where I'll talk about a case with a cop and/or cross examine them on the stand in a preliminary hearing and they will tell their story not only with full knowledge video exists but will reference the video as backing up their claims.

Then I get discovery and watch the video and it's nothing like what the cop was describing.

I think the same culture that includes the lying creates this. Natural human biases fueled by fear and self-aggrandizement. A side of laziness where they don't review the video before testifying.
 
Beyond the lying, there are the cases where the memory of the cops is legitimately distorted by natural human bias. Which is some ways is scarier and just as much a reason for making video mandatory.

It's a semi-regular thing, not that often but not unusual, where I'll talk about a case with a cop and/or cross examine them on the stand in a preliminary hearing and they will tell their story not only with full knowledge video exists but will reference the video as backing up their claims.

Then I get discovery and watch the video and it's nothing like what the cop was describing.

I think the same culture that includes the lying creates this. Natural human biases fueled by fear and self-aggrandizement. A side of laziness where they don't review the video before testifying.

I think that it is under emphasised that human memory is constructed and reconstructed. Eye witness testimony is unreliable. Even if LEO memory of events differ from video that does not mean they are lying. Memory can certainly be affected by unconscious biases and assumptions.
 
Beyond the lying, there are the cases where the memory of the cops is legitimately distorted by natural human bias. Which is some ways is scarier and just as much a reason for making video mandatory.

It's a semi-regular thing, not that often but not unusual, where I'll talk about a case with a cop and/or cross examine them on the stand in a preliminary hearing and they will tell their story not only with full knowledge video exists but will reference the video as backing up their claims.

Then I get discovery and watch the video and it's nothing like what the cop was describing.

I think the same culture that includes the lying creates this. Natural human biases fueled by fear and self-aggrandizement. A side of laziness where they don't review the video before testifying.

It's a culture of impunity. They know they won't get disciplined for lying under oath so lying just becomes a natural and accepted way of life for them. Couple that with the institutional turning cops into an army of occupation and you have a very dangerous situation.
 
To offer a small story of cops being actually good...

Sometimes It's The Simple Gesture That Makes A World of Difference, As These Officers Demonstrated.

Really short version? Tragedy happened and a couple cops quietly helped take care some unfinished cake making and delivering to a funeral, because the lady was still in a bit of shock over losing her husband and also still felt responsible for fulfilling her prior commitment to finish making them and delivering them. Of some relevance, this story has stayed up in the rec list at the Daily Kos for a fair while, and the overall tone of the site on the police isn't all that much different from this thread's. Either way, for all the widespread structural issues with the police and the overt need for better accountability, it's nice to see the the better side of humanity shine through when it does.
 
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Follow-up on an incident we discussed a while back - child killed in dressing room when a police officer fired 3 shoots in a store.

https://www.wjhg.com/2022/11/23/lapd-officer-unjustified-shooting-store-that-killed-teen/
....Officer William Dorsey Jones Jr. fired three times when police responded to a Burlington clothing store in the San Fernando Valley where 24-year-old Daniel Elena Lopez had brutally attacked two women on Dec. 23, 2021.

Valentina Orellana Peralta was shot and killed as she prayed in a dressing room with her mother, Soledad Peralta. Jones also killed Elena Lopez.

The Police Commission ruled that Jones was justified in firing once but that his two subsequent shots were out of policy.

Police Chief Michel Moore previously found in his own review that all three shots were unjustified.

Now that both the chief and civilian panel have ruled, Moore could face disciplinary action or even firing. However, he can appeal any decision to the LAPD’s Board of Rights.....

From the report: The family’s lawsuit alleges that the LAPD failed to adequately train and supervise the responding officers and “fostered an environment that allowed and permitted this shooting to occur.” We've seen enough about how police are trained that it goes beyond "fostering an environment" they are trained to perceive all encounters in such a way.
 
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Retired police captain in Idaho outed as white supremacist


A retired police captain in Idaho has been discovered to have had ties with white supremacist groups during his tenure with the Boise Police Department.

Matthew Bryngelson, whose 22-year career in law enforcement ended with his retirement in August, appears on the speaker list of a conference organized by American Renaissance, a website that promotes white supremacist views.

Bryngelson, who was set to present a talk entitled “The Vilification of Police and What it Means for America,” was listed under the pseudonym Daniel Vinyard, the name of a neo-Nazi character in the 1998 film “American History X.”

Bryngelson’s involvement in the conference drew attention online after Twitter user Molly Conger posted a thread about it over the weekend.

Please read the whole story.
 
Civil rights lawsuit to follow criminal case in death of Christian Glass

A lawyer for the family of Christian Glass, who was killed by a Clear Creek County Sheriff deputy in June says his firm is preparing a civil rights lawsuit against five departments that were at the scene the night he was killed.

5th Judicial District District Attorney Heidi McCollum announced Wednesday the indictments against two of the Clear Creek County deputies involved.

Andrew Buen is charged with 2nd-degree murder, official misconduct and reckless endangerment, while Kyle Gould is charged with criminally negligent homicide and reckless endangerment.

"The parents are relieved," said Siddhartha Rathod, an attorney for the Glass family. "Is that enough? No. Because not everyone is being held responsible."

Rathod says he plans to file a civil rights lawsuit against five departments involved at the time of the shooting likely after the first of the year, which includes: Clear Creek County, Idaho Springs Police, Georgetown Police, Colorado State Patrol and the Colorado Division of Gaming.
 
3 White Georgia jail guards arrested in violent assault of Black inmate

Three jail guards in Georgia have been charged with battery in the beating of a detainee at a county jail that was recorded by security cameras, sheriff's officials announced Tuesday.

Camden County Sheriff's employees Mason Garrick, Braxton Massey, and Ryan Biegel were arrested and booked into jail, the county sheriff's office said in a news release. They were also charged with violating their oath of office.

It was not immediately clear whether they had attorneys.

Security cameras recorded guards in September repeatedly punching Jarrett Hobbs, a 41-year-old Black man from North Carolina, in the head and neck. The three deputies who were charged are White, according to Capt. Larry Bruce, a spokesman for the Camden County sheriff.

Hobbs had been booked into the Camden County jail in coastal Georgia on Sept. 3 on traffic violation and drug possession charges.

Security video from that night shows Hobbs standing alone in his cell before five guards rush in and surround him. At least three deputies can be seen landing punches before Hobbs gets dragged from the cell and hurled against a wall.
 
Follow-up on an incident we discussed a while back - child killed in dressing room when a police officer fired 3 shoots in a store.

https://www.wjhg.com/2022/11/23/lapd-officer-unjustified-shooting-store-that-killed-teen/


From the report: The family’s lawsuit alleges that the LAPD failed to adequately train and supervise the responding officers and “fostered an environment that allowed and permitted this shooting to occur.” We've seen enough about how police are trained that it goes beyond "fostering an environment" they are trained to perceive all encounters in such a way.

Having been told in previous posts that it is quite normal for police to continue shooting until their magazines are empty, perhaps he should be congratulated on his restraint in only firing three times?

I can accept the case that to open fire at all was wrong. (Which would be my view if that mattered.) But if to fire one shot was correct it is a very fine judgement in retrospect to say the next two are wrong. Presumably he was just following the Mozambique drill?
 
Having been told in previous posts that it is quite normal for police to continue shooting until their magazines are empty, perhaps he should be congratulated on his restraint in only firing three times?

I can accept the case that to open fire at all was wrong. (Which would be my view if that mattered.) But if to fire one shot was correct it is a very fine judgement in retrospect to say the next two are wrong. Presumably he was just following the Mozambique drill?


From the report:
Police Chief Michel Moore previously found in his own review that all three shots were unjustified.

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The officer “inaccurately assessed the imminence of the threat of death or serious bodily injury” from Elena Lopez when he fired three rounds in quick sequence and should have reassessed the situations after the first shot, the majority concluded.

The board apparently decided that he should have observed what his first shot hit before he fired again. He also was using a rifle at short range, which should have allowed to aim at his target precisely, not "spray and pray."
 
Americans, cops included, have proven that, as a group, we are not responsible enough to have guns in our society. I vote you and your toys off the island.
 
A Virginia cop catfished a teenage girl online, drove to her home in California, killed her family, kidnapped her, then died in a shootout with the Riverside PD. (NBC link)

"...Austin Lee Edwards, a former trooper with the Virginia State Police who was working for the Washington County Sheriff's Office..."

Given the many similarities in many of these types of stories I have to wonder why was he a "former trooper", and what background research was done when he was employed in Wahington County.
 
"...Austin Lee Edwards, a former trooper with the Virginia State Police who was working for the Washington County Sheriff's Office..."

Given the many similarities in many of these types of stories I have to wonder why was he a "former trooper", and what background research was done when he was employed in Wahington County.

A good question
 
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