Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Bogative, you missed this one, odd, you're usually quite quick with shootings.


I didn't miss it. I read GVA's summary of the shooting and just assumed it was typical of the other 100 or so "bar/club incidents" that have occurred already this year. I thought I would give it a few days until more details were available before posting.

I can see now this is a special/rare mass shooting and I'm supposed to care more about this one compared to the other 600+ mass shootings that have already occurred this year.

On the day of and the day after this shooting, there were four other mass shootings with 6 people dead and 14 wounded. I see no reason to clutch my pearls over this one incident.
 
And they were a morbidly obese man and a drag queen in heels, both unarmed.

CNN reporting they are set to replace the entire police force in Uvalde.

There is some indication that the New York Times screwed up the reporting and identified the woman as a drag performer when she's just a trans woman. They have a history of this and they initially misgendered the partner of the daughter of the man who tackled the shooter as well.

Very sadly I've found myself thinking that because of who the attack was aimed at some folk might not be entirely sympathetic.

A famous fake gay rights organization (that is made up of 95% cishet people and gets funding from far right sources) responded by showing concern for the LGB victims, after it was already known one of the victims was trans gender. They are also feigning indignation that anyone called them on it, saying they mean all the victims, even though they only specified the gay, lesbian, and bisexual ones.

And of course are all the false equivalencies about how other shootings that weren't targeted because of immutable personal characteristics, as if mainstream right wing terrorism is the same as turf wars. It's normalization. They call anyone not opposed to lgbtq publicly existing a direct threat to children, child rapists, and then pretend they have no idea why anyone would commit terrorism over it. 'You're child mutilating, child raping, groomers, but why would someone kill you over it?' Yeah, cowards all the way down. Morally, intellectually, physically.
 
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There is some indication that the New York Times screwed up the reporting and identified the woman as a drag performer when she's just a trans woman. They have a history of this and they initially misgendered the partner of the daughter of the man who tackled the shooter as well.

To make this part more clear, the person who helped Fierro was reported as a drag queen when she is just a trans woman and Fierro's daughter's partner was Raymond Vance, a cishet man there for the first time with his girlfriend's family.

Many are confused why several straight people where there, and specifically a member of the military, and to them all I can say is, why not?
 
The Colorado Springs nightclub shooter has the same name as a guy arrested for a bomb threat last year.

In a rational society that would keep him from owning a ******* gun.
Same person, but parts of Colarado, including El Paso county, flout the state's 'Red Flag' laws through the“second amendment sanctuary” bollocks.
After all guns are more important than people to sone.
 
And of course are all the false equivalencies about how other shootings that weren't targeted because of immutable personal characteristics, as if mainstream right wing terrorism is the same as turf wars. It's normalization. They call anyone not opposed to lgbtq publicly existing a direct threat to children, child rapists, and then pretend they have no idea why anyone would commit terrorism over it. 'You're child mutilating, child raping, groomers, but why would someone kill you over it?' Yeah, cowards all the way down. Morally, intellectually, physically.

And this is consistent across the gamut of right-wing rhetoric, including things like the racist/anti-Semitic "white replacement" theory that they've recently mainstreamed. They are increasingly rhetorically portraying things like the existence of LGBTQ people and non-white immigration as quite literally existential threats, and this kind of treatment logically can only lead to incidents like this. When you are faced with an imminent threat of death, violent resistance is the only way to save your life, after all.
 
There is some indication that the New York Times screwed up the reporting and identified the woman as a drag performer when she's just a trans woman. They have a history of this and they initially misgendered the partner of the daughter of the man who tackled the shooter as well.

Yeah, but I'm sure you got my point: these weren't a pair of ninjas or Navy SEALS fresh from unarmed combat training who wandered by. It just takes balls of steel, even if obese or rocking high heels. Respect.
 
And this is consistent across the gamut of right-wing rhetoric, including things like the racist/anti-Semitic "white replacement" theory that they've recently mainstreamed. They are increasingly rhetorically portraying things like the existence of LGBTQ people and non-white immigration as quite literally existential threats, and this kind of treatment logically can only lead to incidents like this. When you are faced with an imminent threat of death, violent resistance is the only way to save your life, after all.

And like all those things they're too cowardly to even own their arguments. They're doubling down on the violent dehumanization here and denying they're doing it.

They are claiming they never called gay people groomers. No, they claim they call people who are grooming groomers.

What do they call grooming? Public participation by non-straight people. Existing as a trans gender person. Acknowledging the existence of non-straight people. 'We aren't calling you a groomer for being gay, we're calling you a groomer for existing while gay,' is such the pathetic **** take.

The drag show was of course what people who are 'honestly, really, double sure not defending the shooter' say was 'grooming'. I don't know what reason they have for thinking drag is inherently about sexual activity, but it just isn't. 'What do you mean it's not sexual? Why else would those gays give me these feelings?' Why would anyone seriously believe the idea that the mainstream GOP is calling a wide swath of society literal child sex trafficking rapists who are coming for YOUR child, but NOT advocating for violence?

For 'good' examples of this look at the vile things Tim Pool is saying, also known as 'the quiet part out loud'.

Yeah, but I'm sure you got my point: these weren't a pair of ninjas or Navy SEALS fresh from unarmed combat training who wandered by. It just takes balls of steel, even if obese or rocking high heels. Respect.

I mean, I know what you're saying, but the 'obese' guy is a retired major from the Army, with three tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan with two Bronze Stars.

To point out the balls on these two though, Fierro had to rush across half the bar to get up behind the shooter, who was heading to the patio a lot of people had escaped to. Fierro is six foot and 300 lbs, but the shooter is apparently at least several inches taller and weighing at least as much. Fierro grabbed the drag handle on the man's extensive body armor and dragged him down. Again, the very large man holding an AR pattern rifle. The shooter pulled out a handgun, which Fierro then took from him, and started pommeling him in the face with it, because the man was armored everywhere else. He kept doing that until police arrived.

There is a reason the shooter isn't in jail yet; he can't be released from the hospital because of how badly his face and head were beaten in.

So, yeah, Fierro and the woman who heel stomped the shooter (and the unidentified person who grabbed the rifle and pulled it away from reach), have steel bits. Yeah, it's what was needed. But Fierro was also an uncommon badass already with a lot of training.
 
Actual grooming, as we've just seen from the conviction of a Republican, is something that happens in PRIVATE and SECRET, by definition.

The fact that these are Public Events disproves all claims about grooming - some people just hate it that being queer is no longer something to be ashamed about.
 
The American Disease has become so normalized that these spree shootings no longer even get reported in our news.

And the more that occur, the more likely each of us is to be impacted. I lived near to that Wal-Mart for years and shopped there.
 
Seems only sensible.

It is sad that Americans don't care about the most vulnerable in society and leave them defenceless.

It is no wonder we see regular school shootings where victims are forbidden to own guns. Why, why, do legislators not think of the children and put a gun under every school desk.

Similarly drunks will find it hard to aim a pistol with any accuracy. Therefore bars should put a semi automatic guns, which spay bullets and are therefore more likely to hit the bad guy, under their tables.

Together with enough good guys armed we can eliminate gun crime.
 
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It is sad that Americans don't care about the most vulnerable in society and leave them defenceless.

It is no wonder we see regular school shootings where victims are forbidden to own guns. Why, why, do legislators not think of the children and put a gun under every school desk.

Similarly drunks will find it hard to aim a pistol with any accuracy. Therefore bars should put a semi automatic guns, which spay bullets and are therefore more likely to hit the bad guy, under their tables.

Together with enough good guys armed we can eliminate gun crime.

Not sure whether this was deliberate but a wonderful juxtaposition. I love the idea of spay* bullets, something all women should have access to; and I love the euphemism 'to hit under the table' to mean to spay.

*I am adopting a gender neutral meaning of spay.
 
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