Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

Double layers are not magic. They are always less energetic than whatever forms them. They don't contradict what I'm saying, they are central to my point. And you don't understand them at all.

Really? Thought youd need a current to DRIVE a plasma double layer?

Oh, look ELECTRIC CURRENTS!

The Milky Way's mysterious filaments have 'older, distant cousins

Using observations from radio telescopes, Zadeh discovered the mystifying filaments comprise cosmic ray electrons gyrating along a magnetic field at close to the speed of light. Although he is putting together the puzzle of what the filaments are made of, Zadeh still wondered where they came from.

When astronomers discovered a new population outside our own galaxy, it offered new opportunities to investigate the physical processes in the space surrounding the filaments.

"After studying filaments in our own Galactic Center for all these years, I was extremely excited to see these tremendously beautiful structures," he said. "Because we found these filaments elsewhere in the universe, it hints that something universal is happening."

Although the black hole's jet might provide the seed particles needed to create a filament, something unknown must be accelerating these particles along astonishing lengths.

Promising possibilities

One wonders what could accelerate charged particles? Electric fields, maybe? <rhetorical>

Ummm...THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!

 

[Sol88]

An ion velocity higher than the neutral velocity is in direct contradiction with the assumption that ions and neutrals are collisionally coupled and thus in direct contradiction with the model suggested by Cravens (1987).

Vigren and Eriksson (2017) showed that such a discrepancy can be explained by low collision rates due to low neutral gas densities and propose that an ambipolar electric field (see also Sect. 4.1) can accelerate ions to the observed velocities.

The Plasma Environment of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Electric fields accelerating charged particles in astrophysical plasma's!

 

[Ziggurat]

Really? Thought youd need a current to DRIVE a plasma double layer?

Did I say electric current? No, I did not.

You fail at every opportunity.

 

[Sol88]

Did I say electric current? No, I did not.

You fail at every opportunity.

You need an electric current (observed) to have any chance at forming any plasma instability, including Double Layers.

Don’t you believe me?

Large-scale electric fields include the convective, ambipolar and polarization electric field. They affect both the ions and electrons, and are important for instabilities and wave
generation.

Electric Fields
Large scale plasma phenomena can usually be described using a fluid model. The main assumption needed is that the characteristic scale size of the phenomenon being investigated is much larger than an ion gyroradius. On smaller scales, either concerning physics such as the formation of pick-up ring distributions or where the characteristic gradients in the system are smaller than an ion gyroradius, electric fields become important.

The Plasma Environment of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Real mainstream science now...almost.

 

[tusenfem]

Really? Thought youd need a current to DRIVE a plasma double layer?

well you would be wrong as usual

 

[Ziggurat]

You need an electric current (observed) to have any chance at forming any plasma instability, including Double Layers.

Don’t you believe me?

I don't believe you. And your sources don't make that claim.

Every post of yours is a failure.

 

[jonesdave116]

The Plasma Environment of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Electric fields accelerating charged particles in astrophysical plasma's!

And the reason for that has been pointed out to you countless times. They arise, for the most part, to preserve quasi-neutrality. Which part of it are you not understanding?

 

[Sol88]

well you would be wrong as usual

Well, do your best to correct me.

Otherwise read up, son.

Electrostatic double layers are especially common in current-carrying plasmas, and are very thin (typically tens of Debye lengths), compared to the sizes of the plasmas that contain them. Other names for a double layer are electrostatic double layer, electric double layer, plasma double layers. The term ‘electrostatic shock’ in the magnetosphere has been applied to electric fields oriented at an oblique angle to the magnetic field in such a way that the perpendicular electric field is much stronger than the parallel electric field,[2][3] In laser physics, a double layer is sometimes called an ambipolar electric field.[4]

WIKI

Do you need an eclectic current for a double layer to form, tusenfem?

Happy to call them an Ambipolar electric field if it makes you feel safer

 

[Sol88]

And the reason for that has been pointed out to you countless times. They arise, for the most part, to preserve quasi-neutrality. Which part of it are you not understanding?

Do not understand your lack of simple comprehension.

Instabilities are expected in a current carrying plasma..

Double layer is just one of manny.


This thread started from a “kink” instability in a astrophysical jet.

A current cat tying plasma.

 

[Ziggurat]

Well, do your best to correct me.

You have mistaken a description of one way double layers can form (and even then, you don't understand that description) with a prescription for the only way for double layers to form. It's not the only way.

 

[Sol88]

I don't believe you. And your sources don't make that claim.

Every post of yours is a failure.

Oh dear, hot gas it is,

 

[Ziggurat]

Oh dear, hot gas it is,

Why are you here? Seriously, what's your goal for posting?

 

[Sol88]

You have mistaken a description of one way double layers can form (and even then, you don't understand that description) with a prescription for the only way for double layers to form. It's not the only way.

Still, they do form.

Ambipolar electric fields, double layers, shocks...

Hot gas and the influence of gravity.

 

[Sol88]

Why are you here? Seriously, what's your goal for posting?

Make fun of just how seriously you take hot gas and gravity.

Once upon a time long ago there was nothing...then bang.

Nice fairytale.

The universe is electric (electric fields and electric currents)

You seem to struggle, as most of the indoctrinated mainstream bangers, with plasma, electric currents and electric fields, why?

It’s real science, plasma.

 

[Sol88]

Why are you here? Seriously, what's your goal for posting?

To learn.

 

[Sol88]

I’ve tried to learn mainstream stuff.

Nothing but dead ends.

For instance... Galaxy formation and evolution

The study of galaxy formation and evolution is concerned with the processes that formed a heterogeneous universe from a homogeneous beginning, the formation of the first galaxies, the way galaxies change over time, and the processes that have generated the variety of structures observed in nearby galaxies. Galaxy formation is hypothesized to occur from structure formation theories, as a result of tiny quantum fluctuations in the aftermath of the Big Bang. The simplest model in general agreement with observed phenomena is the Lambda-CDM model—that is, that clustering and merging allows galaxies to accumulate mass, determining both their shape and structure.

That’s the best you can do?

No mention in the “best” mainstream model of galaxy formation of plasma, electric fields and electric currents. Why?

Lots of gas and gravity funnily enough.

Even the cutting edge of mainstream astrophysics is still hesitant to accept the role Electricity takes in the Universe.

Evidence is presented that:


AGN jets are formed when the black hole spins and the accretion disk is strongly magnetized, perhaps on account of gas accreting at high latitude beyond the black hole sphere of influence.
• AGN jets are collimated close to the black hole by magnetic stress associated with a disk wind.
• Higher power jets can emerge from their galactic nuclei in a relativistic, supersonic and proton-dominated state and they terminate in strong, hot spot shocks; lower power jets are degraded to buoyant plumes and bubbles.
• Jets may accelerate protons to EeV energies which contribute to the cosmic ray spectrum and which may initiate pair cascades that can efficiently radiate synchrotron gamma rays.
• Jets were far more common when the universe was a few billion years old and black holes and massive galaxies were growing rapidly.
• Jets can have a major influence on their environments, stimulating and limiting the growth of gala

Blandford

Pick one and let’s see what the cranks over on the Electric/Plasma Universe have said in the past about the above. Put you big girl pants on and have a crack.

 

[tusenfem]

Do you need an eclectic current for a double layer to form, tusenfem?

No

Happy to call them an Ambipolar electric field if it makes you feel safer

No, no need to mix unrelated things up.
Somebody mightily messed WIKI up.

 

[tusenfem]

This thread started from a “kink” instability in a astrophysical jet.

No, it did not, it started with Zeuzzz's stupid EU ideas.

 

[tusenfem]

To learn.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Sol88]

To learn psychology.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

You never come up with a why, except some vague mathamagicians drivel plugged into an incorrect model, you don’t believe your lying eyes?

Can electric current from AGN (big arse electric field) span the obeserved distances and energies?

Don’t really care about your gravity/hot gas combo, it’s is and has always been a dead end.

Case in point...

AGN jets are formed when the black hole spins and the accretion disk is strongly magnetized, perhaps on account of gas accreting at high latitude beyond the black hole sphere of influence.
• AGN jets are collimated close to the black hole by magnetic stress associated with a disk wind.

Magnetic stress from wha, tusenfem?

I mean, really! black hole spins and the accretion disk is strongly magnetized, perhaps on account of gas accreting at high latitude beyond the black hole sphere of influence.

That’s the best mainstream can come up with after all these years acknowledging PLASMA?

BLANDFORD SAYS GAS why not plasma? Too hard? It’s not plasma but indeed a gas as we all know it here on the surface of this neutral atmosphere?

Or is, this your special “space gas”.

If you got your terminology correct, it would sound very much like the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE.

1. Introduction
Attempts to describe the formation of stars and galaxies by processes that utilize only the gravitational force have been and continue to be elusive. No successful simulation of galaxy or stel- lar formation using only the purely gravitational ‘accretion disk’ mechanism has ever been accomplished.[1] Inclusion of plasma into simulations has yielded somewhat better results.
The purpose of this paper is to apply to the known properties of cosmic Birkeland currents, the mechanism called the Dual Plasma Focus Device, the process called Marklund convection, and the recent observations of planetary nebulae.

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