Electric universe theories here.

[jonesdave116]

Double layers, bloody amazing.

About which you know the square root of zero.

 

[jonesdave116]

So even a temperature difference can cause an electric field in a plasma, not sure how your electric fields caused by gravity acting on ions and electrons differentialy.

Jesus H. Christ! How many times?

Coronal electrons are hot. Yes?

Coronal ions are hot. Yes?

Electrons are ~ 1800 x less massive than ions. Yes?

Thermal acceleration therefore affects electrons more than ions. Yes?

Gravity affects the more massive ions than it does the less massive electrons. Yes?

So, pretty much all the electrons are going to reach the solar escape velocity. Yes?

Pretty much all the ions won't DUE TO GRAVITY. Yes?

So, what happens? Why isn't the solar wind ~ 100% electrons? Why is it quasi-neutral?

Errrrm, an electric field!

 

[steenkh]

Now we do. We “see” more of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Please show how seeing more of the EM spectrum has invalidated the conventional model.

The “great attractor” AND “great particle accelerators”, AGN’s seem to be a massive issue, if you think it is how it actually works.

Can there be charge seperation? Your answer, sure but not a lot.

How big are just the magnetic fields you look at when you look at the whole structure fed by an AGN?

Please give us your calculations that show that there can be a large charge separation.

The predictive power of the EU, using your garden variety plasma physics at that is quite impressive... Gravity only, not so much.

What predictive power? As far as I know EU has not predicted anything that has not failed. And in your threads here you have spent all your time trying in vain to invalidate real science while not being able to predict anything.

 

[jonesdave116]

What predictive power? As far as I know EU has not predicted anything that has not failed

One can easily predict that anything predicted by the EU mythologists will violate laws of physics, and be trivially shown to be not only wrong, but impossible. 'Twas ever thus.
Science is not their strong point. Due to having no scientists. Or, as far as I can discern, anybody who could be called sane. Some of them should be under 24 hour surveillance in a secure institution, IMHO.

 

[catsmate]

Ho was a crackpot, and had no physics qualifications. Just like Don Scott.

Ho was a general purpose nutter; evolution denier, homeopathy advocate and general medical crank.

 

[Sol88]

Jesus H. Christ! How many times?

Coronal electrons are hot. Yes?

Coronal ions are hot. Yes?

Electrons are ~ 1800 x less massive than ions. Yes?

Thermal acceleration therefore affects electrons more than ions. Yes?

Gravity affects the more massive ions than it does the less massive electrons. Yes?

So, pretty much all the electrons are going to reach the solar escape velocity. Yes?

Pretty much all the ions won't DUE TO GRAVITY. Yes?

So, what happens? Why isn't the solar wind ~ 100% electrons? Why is it quasi-neutral?

Errrrm, an electric field!

Well....there’s ya blue.

Thermal acceleration...

 

[Ziggurat]

Not a lot? Why? ‘Cos plasma’s conduct...

Yes, exactly.

You have said nothing to suggest otherwise.

So even a temperature difference can cause an electric field in a plasma,

Yes. And the energy stored in the electric field will be much less than the thermal energies involved. Can you figure out why?

No, probably not.

Double layers, bloody amazing.

Double layers are always the byproduct of some other process, so their energy scales are always going to be less than that primary process as well. This is why they can never be the primary driver of, well, anything, really.

 

[Sol88]

Can there be charge separation? Of course there can be. But not a lot. Why? Because plasmas are conducting, and because electrical forces are strong. Large charge separation would drive currents in conductors which then eliminate those large charge separations. If you want large charge separation, you need insulation, and astrophysical plasmas aren’t insulators. The very properties which you think are so important are precisely what prevent what you think happens.

Which is another reason you never put numbers on anything, and never do any math.

Not insulation, silly. That’s called a SHORT CURCUIT.

You need resistance. Can astrophysical plasma contain plasma phenomena that act as resistors(loads) with in the circuit? Would a KINK instability count as resistance to the flow of current within a jet?

As the original paper by Blandford I’d linked too, stated.

Further

As tusenfem states, it’s not the overall amperage is the charge density(can act to restrict overall current flow)

And then we have double layers.

Welcome to MODERN astrophysical plasma’s.

 

[Sol88]

Yes, lots of misunderstanding. For example

/ liquid
fluid
\ gas - neutral
\ ionized

Or something else: electric fields are created by charge separation in space plasmas according to you, whereas in the real world electric fields are mainly induced through motions of the magnetic fields. Charge separation only happens seldomly in space plasmas, under specific conditions, for example if the current gets too high in a low density region, then you can have your beloved double layers, which will accelerate the ions/electrons such that the current is kept constant (div(j) = 0).

Or that gravity does not play a part in space plasma physics. If that would be the case then the Sun would quickly empty out in the low density, low pressure region around it (called interplanetary and interstellar space). Or the Earth's atmosphere would quickly flow away from the Earth into that same low pressure region.

And that is just basic (astro)physics 101 that you fail to grasp.

Furthermore, you obsession with simplified mathemajiks, because the math is too difficult. Yes, the math is not easy, doing full kinetic plasma physics. But if I am only interesting the in the big picture, how the whole large scale of the plasma is behaving, I need not concern myself with the gyration of the ions and the electrons around the magnetic field. So, I can use statistical physics methods, and like Nobel prize winner Hannes Alfvén, use magnetohydrodynamics (where I have to keep notice that I am looking at scales that are big enough and time scales that are long enough).

On the other hand, when I look at the generation of waves, for example, ion cyclotron waves, then I need to look at the behaviour of the individual particles and how they gyrate around the magnetic field. And then you use other equations, because you look at small scales.

This is difficult to grasp for people who do not work in this field, because they usually do not have to concern about these things. Okay, if you bake a cake you use teaspoons, when you build a house you use shovels.



I hardly doubt that you and Scott understand Blandford, especially when you cannot even understand what a metaphore is.



Okay, if you are "along the lines of Blandford", then please explain what this means, exactly.

tusenfem

Would they act as resistance in the flow of current tusenfem? Asking for a friend..

 

[Sol88]

That should set you square, ziggurat.

Your view of astrophysical plasma’s needs an update.

 

[Sol88]

We know far better now than Alfven ever did back in the day. What in-situ measurements did he have?




Wut? We've been looking at stuff in gamma, x-ray, UV etc for bloody decades.




Want to try that in English? What the hell are you on about?




What is the Debye length, and why does it matter? What is the magnetic Reynolds number, and why does it matter?



Big? You mean their strength? And.....?



Is a lie. Where did that happen?



EU has never predicted anything correctly. It is an anti-science cult, with no science and no scientists. It is flat earth level drivel.

Big stuff

Well now we can see the whole structure, you need to have little rethink.

Not a mystery to standard plasma physics...

Gas fluid flows with some magnetism, you view, doesn’t work.

Big fire hose in the sky...yeah right.

 

[jonesdave116]

Well....there’s ya blue.

Thermal acceleration...

Only an idiot would think a plasma or gas will not be thermally accelerated! That is high school stuff. Try it. School, that is.

 

[jonesdave116]

That should set you square, ziggurat.

Your view of astrophysical plasma’s needs an update.

And you haven't got a clue about any sort of plasma. Nor has anybody in your science-free cult. Care to tell us where you get your rubbish from?

 

[jonesdave116]

Big stuff

Well now we can see the whole structure, you need to have little rethink.

Not a mystery to standard plasma physics...

Gas fluid flows with some magnetism, you view, doesn’t work.

Big fire hose in the sky...yeah right.

Crackpot word salad. Try harder.

 

[Steve]

Crackpot word salad. Try harder.

Is there really any doubt that Sol88 is actually trying just as hard as his limited capacity will allow?

 

[tusenfem]

Should we fire the Electric Comet thread up again, tusenfem?

No, and i am on vacation, bye bye-

 

[tusenfem]

As tusenfem states, it’s not the overall amperage is the charge density(can act to restrict overall current flow)

No I did not state that, please delete this.

 

[tusenfem]

Would they act as resistance in the flow of current tusenfem? Asking for a friend..

would what???

 

[tusenfem]

Is there really any doubt that Sol88 is actually trying just as hard as his limited capacity will allow?

No doubt at all, Sol88 just gets off on trolling us.
The more we argue the more he cums.

 

[Ziggurat]

And then we have double layers.

Double layers are not magic. They are always less energetic than whatever forms them. They don't contradict what I'm saying, they are central to my point. And you don't understand them at all.