The Supernatural Part II

[steenkh]

You see, the Quran is not an ordinary book.

Actually it is. Your have to prove otherwise before we should start being Quranic scholars in order to understand it. Otherwise, you are asking us to be biased before we even start reading it.

Every example you have given of the scientific contents of the Quran have been quite ordinary examples of primitive understanding of the world with no foreseeing modern scientific knowledge at all. You are desperately looking for biased interpretations that show otherwise.

 

[Mashuna]

When my daughter was four, she wandered into the room where I was sitting with some friends, said "Sixty-four!", then left.

My friends asked me if I knew what she was talking about, so I replied that before they'd arrived, I'd asked her "Do you know what four cubed equals?". I said that I was a bit disappointed that it had taken her so long to come up with the answer.

I was joking at the time, but having read this thread, I now realise that she was in fact predicting future scientific and mathematical discoveries. I just need to find any old notes or recordings of what she said, then work out what question will fit her utterings. Or close to them. Or maybe rhyming with them.

 

[sackett]

What is the opposite of a Koranic scholar? Why, a Koranic ignoramus, of course!

How would this thread be different if heydarian asserted that he is a Koranic ignoramus, a Koranic nincumpoop, a Koranic innocent with no slightest speck of knowledge about it -- but that he nonetheless can believe everything and anything in it that he wants to?

I await an answer. Any old answer will do, because I am the world's leading Koranic fzzplpgednk, and not one bit modest about that.

By Allahu, it is fzzplpgednk!

 

[Tassman]

Hello to all
You see, the Quran is not an ordinary book.

Well, yes it is. "A book is a medium for recording information in the form of writing or images. It is the same in principle as Homer's Iliad or Harry Potter or ANY of the many 'holy books' claiming divine status.

 

[IanS]

Hello to all
Hello, dear philosopher
I like discussions with you and people like you who speak scientifically and logically.
Proving scientific content in the Qur'an requires understanding various topics. It is not just a matter of science. Rather, one should know the science of how to express content in the Asmani book. You see, the Quran is not an ordinary book. Rather, he has told numerous and innumerable topics for all human beings. And it is universal. A part of its content is about modern science. And the way of expressing it is also general. And he often did not tell the details. Because its purpose is search by humans.

In all of the translations and so-called "interpretations" (ie what somebody claims the translated words mean), including your own interpretions which you have spent 1000 pages repeating/preaching here, NONE of them contain any description at all of modern science.

Just to repeat that - your own personal claimed interpretation of what the verses of the Quran say, do NOT describe a single thing about any genuine modern published science.

So it does not matter how anyone reads the Quran, ... because ALL readings, include your own, contain NO description of modern science.

And we have been through that with you here well over 200 times already.

The problem in this thread is that you do not want to know the truth about your belief in the Quran.

You are incapable of admitting the truth about your holy book, because your entire life's belief system, everything you stand for, depends entirely upon your belief that entirely mundane words in the Quran do actually describe science. And the reason you are so totally comitted to that belief is that you think your belief and your claims "Prove God".

And unfortuantely you are so totally obssesed about that, that you cannot and will not admit that you are wrong to believe that the Quran describes any modern science.

As a free Shia Muslim, I am eager to have a neutral but logical and wise discussion. I see the problem of discussing the Qur'anic content in the fact that we Muslims have unfortunately not read the Qur'an scientifically.

You cannot read something/anything "scientifically". All you can do is read the words.

You can try to be objectibe & honest about what you think the various strings of words (ie the senetences) say, and that would be a scientific approach (ie to be as objective and honest as possible) ... but that is itself not actual scientific research.

If you really want to be objective and honest about any translation or interpretation of any verse from any holy book, then you have to ask yourself first if that particular transaltion is actually correct ... and to do that you need to study what other translators have said, ie you need to look at all variations of what so-called "expert" translators have given as their specific transaltion ...

... but then when you look at all the possible translations, you need to be objective and honset about whether the words are specific & properly clear (not ambiguous!), ie words there which are claimed to describe real current day science ... the words would have to actually describe the sceince in clear detail ... they would, for example, have to actually say something like "human men and women evolved over a period of millions of years starting from much more privative long extinct apes ... that is the origin of all mankind" ... or as another different example, the sentence would actually need to say something like "in 1400 years from now, in the years after about 1990AD, scientists will discover that our universe formed 13.8 billion years ago in a massive expansion process which they will they call the Big Bang" ...

... there is no reason at all why an all-powerful superhuman God could not have told Mohammed such things in precise words like that. And it is a childish dishonst excuse to try to claim it could not have been done by God because in 650AD people would not have understood what a human or an ape was, or what 13.8billion years meant!

For this reason, we do not have enough ability to discuss with scientists and experts about scientific issues in the Qur'an. To prove the scientific content in the Qur'an.

There is no scientific issue explained in the Quran. As I have pointed out to you at least 100 times in this thread – if there really were any such verses describing modern science, then that would have been published in every scientific research journal many decades ago (if not centuries ago) … it would be the most studied and most published discovery in every science journal. But in fact, there are No such science papers that have ever claimed to find modern science revelaed to Mohamed by God in a 650AD Quran … none! … out of hundreds of thousands of science papers published each year, not a single one has ever agreed with your claim of finding science in the Quran.

You are a fanatical religious Muslim who believes they can see evidence of God everywhere. Christian fanatics say exactly the same thing about the NT and OT bibles. They insist that the bibles contain hundreds of amazing prophecies that have really come true. But again – there are no scientific studies that support those claims in any way at all …. the claims are bogus untrue religious nonsense (just as your claims are).

Quran is a heavenly and universal book from God. No one but God has said. And it has been said many times in the Qur'an that: anyone can say even one verse or one chapter like the Qur'an. And yet no one has been able to. As an example, I have mentioned some of the contents of modern science in the Qur'an in this thread. I am not a scientist. But I am a Qur'anic scholar. He is very interested in the Qur'an and its scientific discussions.
Thanks

There is no evidence that the Quran is in any way “holy” or that it's words came from any God. Again, if that were true, if there was any evidence at all for that, then it would be published in every scientific paper ever since … you would have literally 100,000 papers a year publishing all of the evidence for finding God and finding the book to be “holy”. But there are no such papers. There is no such evidence of any truth in any of your claims at all.

And that is the end of all argumnet here – your making claims about science, but science it's simply does not supprt any of your claims at all.

 

[Scorpion]

hello scorpion
The sun is moving in its own orbit in the Milky Way galaxy. This is what it means. which floats in orbit. It is not difficult to understand this scientific matter. Muhammad was illiterate and could not even read any book. On what basis and logic do you say that Muhammad stole the contents of the Qur'an from the Holy Bible? Your lie is quite clear.
In the entire country of Arabia during the time of Muhammad, there were not 10 literate people who wanted to help Muhammad in reciting the Qur'an. Have you read the history of Saudi Arabia to understand? The Qur'an was only revealed to Muhammad by God. Like the revelation of the Bible to other prophets. Unfortunately, you talk very fanatically about the Quran and the Bible. I'm sorry.
I hope you think better.

How many more times have I got to show I have proved the Quran says the sun orbits the earth using the following hadith? This also proves the Quran is not from God.


The quran says the sun orbits the earth, therefore it is not from God.

when the quran says, at sura 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But the quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. The hadith is clearly saying the sun orbits the earth, and it is a fuller explanation of verse 36.38 in the quran.

 

[steenkh]

The quran says the sun orbits the earth, therefore it is not from God.

… or God is not infallible. He might have had a hangover when he dictated the Qur’an.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Religious arguments are best left to madmen and zealots.

Hello
Our discussion is scientific. The scientific content that was said by God in the heavenly and unique book of the Qur'an. If you think about anything other than this, you are completely wrong.

 

[malbui]

Hello
Our discussion is scientific. The scientific content that was said by God in the heavenly and unique book of the Qur'an. If you think about anything other than this, you are completely wrong.

I don't think that you are using the words "discussion" and "scientific" in the same way as the rest of us.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I disagree. All the verses in the Qur'an that describe celestial motion do so from a geocentric standpoint. They place the Sun and Moon in the same category of extraterrestrial objects and describe the limitations on their movements as if they were congruent, interacting objects, yet distinct from Earth. A galaxy is not even mentioned.

The Qur'an absolutely does not discuss the actual astrodynamic complexity you attribute to it. The Moon orbits the Earth, the Earth orbits the Sun, and the Sun orbits the center of its galaxy. You correctly identify our current scientific understanding of celestial mechanics. But to simply declare that this is what the Qur'an must have meant thoroughly ignores the similarity and congruence the Qur'an actually relies upon to make its point.

Hi
Thank you for entering the scientific discussion on the Qur'an.
We express the scientific content in the Qur'an exactly in accordance with what science has proven. The words and expressions of the Qur'an that express scientific content are quite clear. Of course, there are ambiguities in some of the words and phrases that talk about scientific topics, especially modern science. We know these ambiguities as well. Because its purpose is to motivate to discover the truth. You can understand this when you are fully familiar with the relevant phrases in the Quran. I recommend for this topic if you want to get familiar with these Quranic phrases. As an example, I have mentioned some Quranic words and phrases that have different meanings in my articles. For example, the two-letter word "I" has two meanings: from - in.
In all existing translations of the Quran, this word has been translated as "from" in the discussion of the creation of man. It means that God created man from dirt, mud, foul-smelling mud, etc. While the meaning of the word "I" in this discussion of the creation of man means "in" dirt, mud, foul-smelling mud. And this issue has been scientifically proven in biology and abiogenesis. And in fact, science is completely compatible with the Qur'anic content.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Nope. You're a Muslim zealot trying to prove your holy book somehow correctly states scientific fact that has only recently been known, and therefore must have a divine origin. It's a futile pursuit that does poor service to both religion and science. You've demonstrated you're not interested in a neutral discussion. You've demonstrated you're not interested in actual logic. Your only goal is to try to convert people to Islam, or (failing that) to rail against the infidels. You're not the only Muslim to try to prove the Qur'an is scientifically valid. You're not even the only Muslim at this forum to try to do so.



I am, and I'm familiar with the really stupid pseudo-science arguments Muslims typically make. You won't be the first person to try to convince me that the Qur'an is a scientifically accurate book, nor the first person to likely make a fool of himself in the process. It's up to you to surmount those expectations.



By what standard? I've read the Qur'an a few times. Do I get to call myself a "Qur'anic scholar" too? Or have you had some special adjudicated training or education that lets you apply that title in a way that we are somehow obliged to respect?

Probably, you have not read my scientific discussions on the verses of the Qur'an from the beginning, so you judge like this. I have no problem with your judgment. And I respect your opinions. I have no advice for you and others like you to accept scientific facts in the Qur'an. And since the beginning of scientific debates in the Qur'an, I have said that there is no compulsion to accept these debates. And by the way, I emphasize again that: The Qur'an and God have no need for anyone to accept its statements and contents. These discussions are completely free. Anyone who researches and realizes the truth will accept it. But there is no obligation to accept these scientific discussions in the religious book of the Qur'an. You have the choice to accept or not.
I hope you understand that: I am not propagandizing religion and Quran. Rather, free scientific debates that have come in the Qur'an. And I express what God has said. The right to choose and accept is yours. There is no compulsion.
Please think logically.

 

[Pixel42]

Our discussion is scientific. The scientific content that was said by God in the heavenly and unique book of the Qur'an.

The assertion that the Qur'an contains scientific content said by God is an unsupported religious belief. No discussion in which one participant is arguing a position based on unsupported religious beliefs can possibly be scientific.

This is the scientific thought process for evaluating the Quran:

1. Be educated (or educate yourself) about the history of religions and religious books, and acquire critical thinking skills.

2. Read the Quran in the light of that knowledge and understanding

3. Conclude that it is exactly what you'd expect a barely literate zealot of that time to write. You would certainly never conclude that it contained any science whatsoever, let alone hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries. Because it doesn't.

This is your thought process:

1. Be brainwashed from birth into believing all sorts of religious nonsense

2. Decide you want to believe that the Quran contains hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries

3. Read the Quran, looking for anything you can somehow interpret as supporting that belief, no matter how preposterous are the mental gymnastics you need to perform to do so

I repeat: there is no point in returning to this thread if all you're going to do is repeat the same mistakes and faulty arguments that have been explained and rejected a dozen times already.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Actually it is. Your have to prove otherwise before we should start being Quranic scholars in order to understand it. Otherwise, you are asking us to be biased before we even start reading it.

Every example you have given of the scientific contents of the Quran have been quite ordinary examples of primitive understanding of the world with no foreseeing modern scientific knowledge at all. You are desperately looking for biased interpretations that show otherwise.

Hello, dear philosopher
I am glad to see you again.
As logic says: the one who says the opposite must be able to prove his words. Therefore, you must be able to prove against what I say about the Qur'an. But so far, your and other friends' efforts in this field have been in vain. And you have managed to prove the opposite of the scientific content in the Qur'an. Do you know the reason for this mistake? This is because science is completely consistent with the Qur'an. If you want to prove otherwise, you have denied science. I advise you and others like you to stop denying science. And don't follow this thread. I see you, dear philosopher, more logical than other friends in this forum.
Thanks

 

[Susheel]

Hello, dear philosopher
I am glad to see you again.
As logic says: the one who says the opposite must be able to prove his words. Therefore, you must be able to prove against what I say about the Qur'an. But so far, your and other friends' efforts in this field have been in vain. And you have managed to prove the opposite of the scientific content in the Qur'an. Do you know the reason for this mistake? This is because science is completely consistent with the Qur'an. If you want to prove otherwise, you have denied science. I advise you and others like you to stop denying science. And don't follow this thread. I see you, dear philosopher, more logical than other friends in this forum.
Thanks

No...you have got that wrong. It is you who should be proving your claims about the Quran. All you have made so far are claims and despite your protestations, people on this forum have patiently (at least at the initial stages) shown how wrong your claims were.

 

[IanS]

Hello
Our discussion is scientific. The scientific content that was said by God in the heavenly and unique book of the Qur'an. If you think about anything other than this, you are completely wrong.

All of published science research rejects your claim of the Quran revealing any modern science.

When you talk about modern science revealed in the Quran, you are inevitably talking about published peer-reviewed research papers ... that's what all of established science is (it must meet that standard of properly published papers in real internationally endorsed research journals) ...

... so when you make your claim, you are inevitably talking about that body of millions of science research papers published over the last 100 years or more

But in all of those millions of papers, not a single one agrees with or accepts what you say ... not even a single one of them has ever claimed to find any modern science explained by God to Mohamed in the 6th century Quran.

You are making a claim about research science. But worldwide science itself completely 100% rejects your claim ... there is NO such science in any Quran.

That is the end of the road for your claims.

 

[Pixel42]

As logic says: the one who says the opposite must be able to prove his words.

No, what logic says is that the person who makes the positive claim has the burden of proof. You are making the positive claim that the Qur'an contains scientific knowledge that would not be discovered for centuries, so you have the burden of proof. Until and unless you provide objective evidence of your claim, the null hypothesis stands. In this case the null hypothesis is that the Qur'an contains exactly as much yet-to-be-discovered science as it would be expected to contain given the laws of science as they are currently understood, which is none whatever.

Therefore, you must be able to prove against what I say about the Qur'an.

No, therefore you must be able to prove what you say. Until you do, we can simply dismiss your claims.

But so far, your and other friends' efforts in this field have been in vain.

Our efforts to explain to you how science and logic actually work have certainly been in vain. Your efforts to convince us that your religious beliefs are worthy of serious consideration were doomed to failure from the start.

 

[IanS]

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In all existing translations of the Quran, this word has been translated as "from" in the discussion of the creation of man. It means that God created man from dirt, mud, foul-smelling mud, etc. While the meaning of the word "I" in this discussion of the creation of man means "in" dirt, mud, foul-smelling mud. And this issue has been scientifically proven in biology and abiogenesis. And in fact, science is completely compatible with the Qur'anic content.

Science absolutely does NOT say that Man was created from or "in" "dirt, mud, foul-smelling mud" ... when the Quran says that, it is completely and utterly 100% disagreeing with modern science ...

... Man (humans) evolved from earlier related apes ... that is the origin of "Man" ... that was entirely sexual reproduction ... there is not, and never was, any "moulding from wet mud".

So, although you did not realise it, you are in fact now agreeing that the Quran is 100% wrong about the origin of humans!

 

[heydarian saeed]

The assertion that the Qur'an contains scientific content said by God is an unsupported religious belief. No discussion in which one participant is arguing a position based on unsupported religious beliefs can possibly be scientific.

This is the scientific thought process for evaluating the Quran:

1. Be educated (or educate yourself) about the history of religions and religious books, and acquire critical thinking skills.

2. Read the Quran in the light of that knowledge and understanding

3. Conclude that it is exactly what you'd expect a barely literate zealot of that time to write. You would certainly never conclude that it contained any science whatsoever, let alone hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries. Because it doesn't.

This is your thought process:

1. Be brainwashed from birth into believing all sorts of religious nonsense

2. Decide you want to believe that the Quran contains hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries

3. Read the Quran, looking for anything you can somehow interpret as supporting that belief, no matter how preposterous are the mental gymnastics you need to perform to do so

I repeat: there is no point in returning to this thread if all you're going to do is repeat the same mistakes and faulty arguments that have been explained and rejected a dozen times already.

Hello
Scientists have so far proposed two factors for the nature of the material world. Energy and matter are interchangeable. And they do not disappear, that is, matter does not disappear unless it is transformed from one form to another. Physicists call all material forms mass and say that matter is composed of atoms and energy. Now, if we say that matter was created from nothing before pure energy, it violates the laws of physics. There must be matter that has been converted into energy. Where does the energy come from? This issue points out that Hawking has many contradictions in his talks in this field." We physicists work with experience and mathematical calculations, and mathematical science does not guide us to anything, and God has no place for our calculations."
Didn't Hawking know that in the Planck limit, all the laws of classical physics lose their validity. He entered Planck's domain by looking at the laws of physics and determined time for this domain, which has no time and space, just as the laws of classical physics are invalid in Planck's domain, the equations of classical physics are also invalid in Planck's domain, so Hawkink cannot perform mathematical calculations and Drag your mentalities, which are the determinations of matter, into Planck's range, which is the singularity. So his statement that God does not exist for our calculations is meaningless and invalid. Mathematical calculations cannot be drawn into the Planck range.
Physicists reached the pre-expansion range of the universe with the formula of maths, and in the end penetrated into the Planck range and finally reached nothing, and they do not consider the factor of our superior and resourceful power in creating the universe, but they admit that first pure energy and the range of singularity or oneness is considered from the beginning of the bank fog to the expansion of the universe, for which time is ten to the power of minus 43. The mathematical formula is valid until the beginning of the expansion of the universe. In the cosmic singularity, all definitions and mathematical formulas lose their validity. The definition of singularity says this.
A range where time and space do not exist, putting the time as ten minus 43 is meaningless, there is still no material that we can use the coordinates of which is time and space.
The beginning of the expansion of the universe is the beginning of the creation of matter from the fundamental particles that were created in the area before the expansion of the universe according to the Qur'an in seven stages or chapters, and all these seven chapters or chapters are described as the tree of Zakum. According to the Qur'an, these periods within the Plank have no time. And heat has played the role of time. Heat is a factor that is not mentioned in the fog bank. It has pure thermal energy equal to ten to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. Therefore, first it was energy from which, that is, from pure photons, the fundamental particles of the raw materials of matter are created. Fluctuations in temperature from top to bottom have caused the formation of fundamental particles.
Physicists call the moment of the bank fog until the beginning of the expansion of the universe the Planck period, and the Qur'an calls it the Zakum tree, which was created from the bottom of hell, which was the very beginning of the emergence of pure energy with a temperature of ten to the power of 32 degrees. until the fruit of this tree ripens, which is neutrons, which the Qur'an has called the heads of Satan. The devil is the rebellious force of quarks and bosons, which would cause damage if released, but is contained in the protected neutron shell by God's will.
In the Qur'an, God describes the first moment of the creation of the universe as follows: "I expanded you for the first time when you were a fundamental particle from a very dense and compressed area before the expansion of the universe, and you will return to the same place." Surah Fatir verse 1
The information treasury of the universe is the book of Mobin, in which all the information and planning is written in the form of compiled information. When the universe was created in six days, God's throne was placed over the creation of water to create life on earth. God had a plan before creating the universe. And he planned the universe in six periods so that the ratio of hydrogen to helium is seventy to twenty five. Scientists have come to the conclusion that if this percentage were slightly increased or decreased, life would never have formed on earth. Therefore, two issues have been proposed in the Qur'an in the form of theory in the above discussion. First, every material object has information, and its information is with God.
The above content is a small corner of the contents of modern science mentioned in the Quran. which is said by the one and only God. If in doubt, do some research. to understand Science is consistent with the Qur'an at any time.

 

[Chanakya]

The assertion that the Qur'an contains scientific content said by God is an unsupported religious belief. No discussion in which one participant is arguing a position based on unsupported religious beliefs can possibly be scientific.

This is the scientific thought process for evaluating the Quran:

1. Be educated (or educate yourself) about the history of religions and religious books, and acquire critical thinking skills.

2. Read the Quran in the light of that knowledge and understanding

3. Conclude that it is exactly what you'd expect a barely literate zealot of that time to write. You would certainly never conclude that it contained any science whatsoever, let alone hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries. Because it doesn't.

This is your thought process:

1. Be brainwashed from birth into believing all sorts of religious nonsense

2. Decide you want to believe that the Quran contains hints about scientific discoveries that would not be made for centuries

3. Read the Quran, looking for anything you can somehow interpret as supporting that belief, no matter how preposterous are the mental gymnastics you need to perform to do so

I repeat: there is no point in returning to this thread if all you're going to do is repeat the same mistakes and faulty arguments that have been explained and rejected a dozen times already.

This is a great post, Pixel42, and very clearly sums up the entirety of this thread.

heydarian saeed, if only you would carefully and attentively read this (fairly) short and entirely simple post with care and attention, for as many times as it takes for its meaning to sink in --- its meaning, that is straightforward enough, but that keeps eluding you, and that Pixel42 has explained so very clearly --- then a whole lifelong of delusion might drop off from you. A whole misspent life, misspent specifically in terms of your understanding of science vis a vis Islamic scripture I mean to say, might be remedied in a few short minutes if you would do that.



Not suprisingly, given how we've seen you conduct yourself here across many months, you respond to her with this completely unrelated and entirely irrelevant post (not related to what you've quoted, not relevant what you purport to respond to), that makes clear that you've ignored everything she's said, and like some automaton moved on to repeating your stock copypasta nonsense yet again:

Hello
Scientists have so far proposed two factors for the nature of the material world. Energy and matter are interchangeable. And they do not disappear, that is, matter does not disappear unless it is transformed from one form to another. Physicists call all material forms mass and say that matter is composed of atoms and energy. Now, if we say that matter was created from nothing before pure energy, it violates the laws of physics. There must be matter that has been converted into energy. Where does the energy come from? This issue points out that Hawking has many contradictions in his talks in this field." We physicists work with experience and mathematical calculations, and mathematical science does not guide us to anything, and God has no place for our calculations."
Didn't Hawking know that in the Planck limit, all the laws of classical physics lose their validity. He entered Planck's domain by looking at the laws of physics and determined time for this domain, which has no time and space, just as the laws of classical physics are invalid in Planck's domain, the equations of classical physics are also invalid in Planck's domain, so Hawkink cannot perform mathematical calculations and Drag your mentalities, which are the determinations of matter, into Planck's range, which is the singularity. So his statement that God does not exist for our calculations is meaningless and invalid. Mathematical calculations cannot be drawn into the Planck range.
Physicists reached the pre-expansion range of the universe with the formula of maths, and in the end penetrated into the Planck range and finally reached nothing, and they do not consider the factor of our superior and resourceful power in creating the universe, but they admit that first pure energy and the range of singularity or oneness is considered from the beginning of the bank fog to the expansion of the universe, for which time is ten to the power of minus 43. The mathematical formula is valid until the beginning of the expansion of the universe. In the cosmic singularity, all definitions and mathematical formulas lose their validity. The definition of singularity says this.
A range where time and space do not exist, putting the time as ten minus 43 is meaningless, there is still no material that we can use the coordinates of which is time and space.
The beginning of the expansion of the universe is the beginning of the creation of matter from the fundamental particles that were created in the area before the expansion of the universe according to the Qur'an in seven stages or chapters, and all these seven chapters or chapters are described as the tree of Zakum. According to the Qur'an, these periods within the Plank have no time. And heat has played the role of time. Heat is a factor that is not mentioned in the fog bank. It has pure thermal energy equal to ten to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. Therefore, first it was energy from which, that is, from pure photons, the fundamental particles of the raw materials of matter are created. Fluctuations in temperature from top to bottom have caused the formation of fundamental particles.
Physicists call the moment of the bank fog until the beginning of the expansion of the universe the Planck period, and the Qur'an calls it the Zakum tree, which was created from the bottom of hell, which was the very beginning of the emergence of pure energy with a temperature of ten to the power of 32 degrees. until the fruit of this tree ripens, which is neutrons, which the Qur'an has called the heads of Satan. The devil is the rebellious force of quarks and bosons, which would cause damage if released, but is contained in the protected neutron shell by God's will.
In the Qur'an, God describes the first moment of the creation of the universe as follows: "I expanded you for the first time when you were a fundamental particle from a very dense and compressed area before the expansion of the universe, and you will return to the same place." Surah Fatir verse 1
The information treasury of the universe is the book of Mobin, in which all the information and planning is written in the form of compiled information. When the universe was created in six days, God's throne was placed over the creation of water to create life on earth. God had a plan before creating the universe. And he planned the universe in six periods so that the ratio of hydrogen to helium is seventy to twenty five. Scientists have come to the conclusion that if this percentage were slightly increased or decreased, life would never have formed on earth. Therefore, two issues have been proposed in the Qur'an in the form of theory in the above discussion. First, every material object has information, and its information is with God.
The above content is a small corner of the contents of modern science mentioned in the Quran. which is said by the one and only God. If in doubt, do some research. to understand Science is consistent with the Qur'an at any time.

I'll urge you yet again to go back and carefully read Pixel42's post, not with the intent simply of retorting with some comeback, but for comprehension. After all these months of posting bilge, and indeed after an entire lifetime spent in the darkness of ignorance (as far as this specific subject of science vis-a-vis the Quran, I mean to say), just perhaps understanding may yet break through, in a few short minutes, if only you'll let it.

 

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Scientists have so far proposed two factors for the nature of the material world. Energy and matter are interchangeable. And they do not disappear, that is, matter does not disappear unless it is transformed from one form to another. Physicists call all material forms mass and say that matter is composed of atoms and energy. Now, if we say that matter was created from nothing before pure energy, it violates the laws of physics. There must be matter that has been converted into energy. Where does the energy come from? This issue points out that Hawking has many contradictions in his talks in this field." We physicists work with experience and mathematical calculations, and mathematical science does not guide us to anything, and God has no place for our calculations."
Didn't Hawking know that in the Planck limit, all the laws of classical physics lose their validity. He entered Planck's domain by looking at the laws of physics and determined time for this domain, which has no time and space, just as the laws of classical physics are invalid in Planck's domain, the equations of classical physics are also invalid in Planck's domain, so Hawkink cannot perform mathematical calculations and Drag your mentalities, which are the determinations of matter, into Planck's range, which is the singularity. So his statement that God does not exist for our calculations is meaningless and invalid. Mathematical calculations cannot be drawn into the Planck range.
Physicists reached the pre-expansion range of the universe with the formula of maths, and in the end penetrated into the Planck range and finally reached nothing, and they do not consider the factor of our superior and resourceful power in creating the universe, but they admit that first pure energy and the range of singularity or oneness is considered from the beginning of the bank fog to the expansion of the universe, for which time is ten to the power of minus 43. The mathematical formula is valid until the beginning of the expansion of the universe. In the cosmic singularity, all definitions and mathematical formulas lose their validity. The definition of singularity says this.
A range where time and space do not exist, putting the time as ten minus 43 is meaningless, there is still no material that we can use the coordinates of which is time and space.
The beginning of the expansion of the universe is the beginning of the creation of matter from the fundamental particles that were created in the area before the expansion of the universe according to the Qur'an in seven stages or chapters, and all these seven chapters or chapters are described as the tree of Zakum. According to the Qur'an, these periods within the Plank have no time. And heat has played the role of time. Heat is a factor that is not mentioned in the fog bank. It has pure thermal energy equal to ten to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. Therefore, first it was energy from which, that is, from pure photons, the fundamental particles of the raw materials of matter are created. Fluctuations in temperature from top to bottom have caused the formation of fundamental particles.
Physicists call the moment of the bank fog until the beginning of the expansion of the universe the Planck period, and the Qur'an calls it the Zakum tree, which was created from the bottom of hell, which was the very beginning of the emergence of pure energy with a temperature of ten to the power of 32 degrees. until the fruit of this tree ripens, which is neutrons, which the Qur'an has called the heads of Satan. The devil is the rebellious force of quarks and bosons, which would cause damage if released, but is contained in the protected neutron shell by God's will.
In the Qur'an, God describes the first moment of the creation of the universe as follows: "I expanded you for the first time when you were a fundamental particle from a very dense and compressed area before the expansion of the universe, and you will return to the same place." Surah Fatir verse 1
The information treasury of the universe is the book of Mobin, in which all the information and planning is written in the form of compiled information. When the universe was created in six days, God's throne was placed over the creation of water to create life on earth. God had a plan before creating the universe. And he planned the universe in six periods so that the ratio of hydrogen to helium is seventy to twenty five. Scientists have come to the conclusion that if this percentage were slightly increased or decreased, life would never have formed on earth. Therefore, two issues have been proposed in the Qur'an in the form of theory in the above discussion. First, every material object has information, and its information is with God.
The above content is a small corner of the contents of modern science mentioned in the Quran. which is said by the one and only God. If in doubt, do some research. to understand Science is consistent with the Qur'an at any time.

As Chanakya says, this mixture of misunderstood and/or oversimplified physics and deliberate misinterpretations of the Qur'an does not address the point being made in the post it is supposedly a response to in any way. It is, on the contrary, yet another example of the mistaken approach that post describes.

Try again.