New telepathy test, the sequel.

Gamolon said:
BINGO!

What’s wrong with someone generating 1000 random 100 digit numbers and you circling one of them and then telepathically broadcasting that number?

If someone gives you the number, you might have your answer!
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This could be a decent testing method (actually, I have already used such a method).
 
P.J. Denyer said:
If he was flexible enough to do that, he'd be too busy at the circus to post here.
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If you think that the acts I encouraged in my message to Michel are in any way appropriate for public performance then you are a monster beyond redemption! You sicken me, sir.

ETA: In addition, you may benefit from refresher classes in both biology and physics.






And metallurgy.
 
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Michel H said:
No, I don't think this is necessary. Telepathy is clearly much more general.

But we telepaths (or apparent telepaths) are facing some hostility from people who find it more comfortable to depict us as mentally ill.

So we have to devise some tests which can help people and are not too demanding.
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How does limiting people to only four possible sentences AND telling them what those sentences are weed out the people that want to depict telepaths being mentally ill?
 
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JayUtah said:
Your personal judgment that some irrelevant addendum to the data was "extraordinary" is entirely unscientific.
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You state that an apparent admission of my telepathic property by Safraniamagick on Doctissimo is "some irrelevant addendum".

I think that, by doing this, you are revealing your own anti-extra-sensory-perception bias.
 
Gamolon said:
You did? How many numbers and how many digits each?

How many people?

What were the results?
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In the first test I did on Yahoo Answers (and which wasn't quickly deleted), I asked people to telepathically guess a two-digit number, which was 57. One person gave the correct answer, in a very polite and kind way (however, this person also said "I'm not telepathic", which weakened his answer).

However, I later dropped this testing technique, because it didn't seem to give good results (it was too difficult for people).
 
Gamolon said:
How does limiting people to only four possible sentences AND telling them what those sentences are weed out the people that want to depict telepaths being mentally ill?
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It won't weed them out, but you may get some good answers, if some people find your test(s) acceptable.
 
Michel H said:
It won't weed them out, but you may get some good answers, if some people find your test(s) acceptable.
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I’m not understanding this.

How do people being hostile towards telepaths and them saying you are mentally ill affect answers/test results? How does making tests acceptable negate these people affecting those answers/test results?
 
Michel H said:
You state that an apparent admission of my telepathic property by Safraniamagick on Doctissimo is "some irrelevant addendum".

I think that, by doing this, you are revealing your own anti-extra-sensory-perception bias.
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Nope. You don't get to dismiss me so easily or so ham-fistedly. Pointing out your obvious methodology errors doesn't make your critics biased.

Any information beyond the participant's selection is irrelevant to the statistical reliability of the study. Yes, potential participants come to the experiment with a wide variety of preconceptions. Given a large enough sample, those all factor out. But in a properly designed study, it simply wouldn't matter. There would be no way in the protocol for that person's predisposition to manifest itself.

In contrast, your protocol expressly seeks out that information. That's bad enough. But what's worse is that you put that extraneous information next to the selection so that there's no objective way to tell which one you're basing your selection of data on. You say it's based on the extraneous data, but all you have is your word for that. You refuse to perform your analysis without also knowing whether the answer supports or disputes your claim. So you're clearly fishing for data you like.
 
Michel H said:
These tests did not seem to be useful for proving telepathy (they also did not seem to be useful for somehow proving I am not telepathic).
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As has already been explained, the null hypothesis is that you are not telepathic and therefore the percentage of correct guesses in a properly controlled and conducted study will be governed by probability, forming a normal distribution centered on 25%.

You have the responsibility to show that correct guesses, properly controlled, don't fit that curve. There is literally no other method of proof or obligation to do so. When we properly control your experiment, its results are what we expect from the null.
 
Michel H said:
These tests did not seem to be useful for proving telepathy (they also did not seem to be useful for somehow proving I am not telepathic).
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So you’re admitting that the only test results you’ll accept are ones that help prove telepathy?

Really?

That’s like claiming you have medicine that cures cancer, but that claim is based only on tests results that show it did cure cancer, while rejecting any data that shows it didn’t.
 
Michel H said:
But we telepaths (or apparent telepaths) are facing some hostility from people who find it more comfortable to depict us as mentally ill.
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Who exactly is depicting telepaths in general as "mentally ill?" Name some names, please, and point to those depictions.

I don't think you are typical of most claimants to telepathy. I doubt other claimed telepaths would consider you typical. While many of us have drawn some conclusions about telepathy claimants in general, your individual claims are being evaluated on their own individual merits, such as they may be.

You are facing hostility here not because of some categorial argument or general bias. You are facing hostility here because you are claiming to be able to produce scientifically valid evidence for your personal claim to telepathy, but you are patently unable to do so. The response seems perhaps overly hostile because you are arrogantly insinuating that only you know properly perform a suitable scientific experiment. In fact you're completely ignorant of how to do it, and blatantly biased in stating that only data which confirms your claim can be considered good. You're insulting people who are smarter than you about these things. They are responding with expected hostility.

The only issue of mental illness that arises in your specific case is your admission to suffer from untreated schizophrenia. This is not something that people have concluded or speculated about you. This is something you specifically stipulated. Admitting you have a mental illness and then criticizing people for treating you as if you have a mental illness is disingenuous.

The only reason your mental illness is relevant is because your protocol specifically calls for you to make a subjective judgment about others' unspoken or implied motives. This is something that is especially hard for schizophrenics to do accurately. And we look at the concerted judgment of everyone else, contrary to yours. Had you not insisted on a protocol that requires a skill you admit you do not have, there would be no need to address the issue of mental illness.
 
Michel H said:
Then skeptics tried to argue without serious evidence that this post was somehow "sarcastic" because they didn't like it.
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1. It was as obviously sarcastic as a response could possibly have been. Which is why you have never been able to find anyone who agrees with your interpretation of it.

2. Loss Leader himself told you he meant it sarcastically

3. The fact that you were subjectively validating all the responses you received rendered your test null and void, regardless of the contents of the responses. Every test you have ever done here was automatically null and void for that reason, with the sole exception of the one where we insisted you were blind to whether or not the guess was correct until after you had subjectively validated it.
 
Michel H said:
When I do a telepathy test, I regard the test as good and successful when the results support telepathy. But this doesn't mean, of course, that I am ready to cheat in order to achieve these apparently good results.
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Yes, it does. Your entire methodology is based on cheating to give the false impression that your results support telepathy, because you refuse to accept the fairly obvious fact that they do no such thing.

Dave
 
Michel H said:
When I do a telepathy test, I regard the test as good and successful when the results support telepathy. But this doesn't mean, of course, that I am ready to cheat in order to achieve these apparently good results.
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You ARE cheating!

You're skewing the test results in your favor by limiting participants to four sentences/answers. On top on that, you're giving them them the answers to choose from.

What's a better test for proving that someone has received a telepathic message from you?

1. You circling a randomly generated, 100 digit number out of 1000 numbers, not giving anyone the list of numbers to choose from, and then someone coming to you and giving you the exact number you circled?

-or-

2. Picking four random sentences and circling one of them, showing the participants those four sentences they have to choose from, and then not being able to determine the difference between chance and an actual message being received?

Then you are further cheating by only excepting results that you think prove telepathy and discarding results that do not prove. You admitted this a number of times!
 
Michel H said:
These tests did not seem to be useful for proving telepathy (they also did not seem to be useful for somehow proving I am not telepathic).
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Useful in what way?

They either got the answer correct or got it wrong. How is that not useful? What reasons did you have for deeming the test results as not useful?
 
Michel H said:
It won't weed them out, but you may get some good answers, if some people find your test(s) acceptable.
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Have you ever gotten a good answer that DIDN'T match whichever answer you selected during any of your tests?

When you get an answer, explain what criteria you are using to determine whether it's considered a good answer or not in order to be used in your results.
 
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