New telepathy test, the sequel.

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Someone with telepathy wouldn't need the power of suggestion to lead others to a correct answer.

As mentioned several times over the years, each time Michel thinks of his phone number, zero people out of seven billion call that number and ask him why it suddenly popped into their head. QED
 
Why are you even picking sentences and then giving them out to people to choose from?

Wouldn't a better test be to get any number of people and you think/concentrate on a sentence WITHOUT giving them choices and see what they "receive" from you, if anything?
A good telepathy test should be easy and fun, and easy to analyse using methods from probability theory.

I think this is better achieved if I give participants some information about the sentence (in the case of this test) that I did circle, if I say "it is one of these four, in front of you".

I may also try to convey some political messages, in an increasingly dangerous world, which (I believe) may contribute to public security.
 
A good telepathy test should be easy and fun, and easy to analyse using methods from probability theory.

I think this is better achieved if I give participants some information about the sentence (in the case of this test) that I did circle, if I say "it is one of these four, in front of you".

I may also try to convey some political messages, in an increasingly dangerous world, which (I believe) may contribute to public security.

I applied probability theory to the results of the test you told us about on Doctissimo. Any comment?

So, to summarise, you got a 25% hit rate for a test containing 4 options.

That’s exactly what you would expect from random chance, which agrees with the null hypothesis and indicates that you aren’t projecting messages.

Thank you for your honesty.
 
A good telepathy test should be easy...

Not necessarily. Correct protocols in a human-subjects trial are notoriously difficult to get right. But a good telepathy test should be rigorous. You failed to pass a rigorous test, so now you're just frantically casting about for ways in which to defeat rigor while at the same time pretending to acheive it.

...and fun,

No. That is not a requirement of science.

...and easy to analyse...

It should be easy to analyze correctly. That is accomplished by careful attention to the test protocol and the underlying data model. You do none of that. Ease of analysis that arises from a simplistic protocol is not a goal of science.

...using methods from probability theory.

Specifically statistical probability, which you have shown you know nothing about. Your statistical model is garbage. When a proper protocol was applied and proper statistical model was followed, your claimed ability disappeared entirely. This proves your "success" was entirely a product of you rigging the test in your favor.

I think this is better achieved if I give participants some information about the sentence...

No. A protocol is best when it eliminates as many potential confounds as possible. Instead, you add confounds so that you can later interpolate your speculation about them as a means of cherry-picking data.

I may also try to convey some political messages, in an increasingly dangerous world, which (I believe) may contribute to public security.

No. Your personal agenda regarding politics and safety is entirely irrelevant to a test for telepathy. And the way you're using politics is a deliberate attempt to once again skew the data in your favor by providing another post hoc acceptance factor.

This is not science. You are not a scientist. Your proposed test is worthless for determining whether your claim to telepathy is scientifically supported.
 
I applied probability theory to the results of the test you told us about on Doctissimo. Any comment?
Yes, there is nothing surprising or unusual about the fact I sometimes find that only about a quarter of the answers to one of my tests (with four possible answers) are correct.

One of the important discoveries that I made early in these online telepathy tests is that the answers should always be analysed and interpreted (this has to be done with care and without bias, of course). This is what I tried to do with the Doctissimo test: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13930824#post13930824.

Some effort is needed. When the results of an extra-sensory test seem too good to be true, this may indicate some cheating has taken place. When the results lead more to a conclusion like "it's a little hard, but it seems to work", then, this may mean some serious and reliable result has been achieved.

In the case of the recent Doctisssimo test you mentioned, one of the participants, Safraniamagik, stood out because she said, in a completely extraordinary way
Hello Ukraine, see you soon for the answer (now it doesn't stop telling me it was 2022) 😂😂😂😂😂
(2022 was the correct answer)
and, after I had given the correct answer:
Aah I need to listen more to the little voice in my head. I like this kind of post thank you 🙂
You don't expect this kind of unusual comment when nothing extra-sensory is occurring. If I decide to accept as credible only respondents who seemed to acknowledge that some extra-sensory perception has taken place, then I get a 100% hit rate for credible answers.

In my first two tests on this forum (see for example http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9516155#post9516155), I also found a hit rate less than 25%, but I nevertheless concluded the tests had been successes, after distinguishing carefully between the answers which seem serious and those which did not.
 
Yes, there is nothing surprising or unusual about the fact I sometimes find that only about a quarter of the answers to one of my tests (with four possible answers) are correct.

One of the important discoveries that I made early in these online telepathy tests is that the answers should always be analysed and interpreted (this has to be done with care and without bias, of course). This is what I tried to do with the Doctissimo test: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13930824#post13930824.

Some effort is needed. When the results of an extra-sensory test seem too good to be true, this may indicate some cheating has taken place. When the results lead more to a conclusion like "it's a little hard, but it seems to work", then, this may mean some serious and reliable result has been achieved.

In the case of the recent Doctisssimo test you mentioned, one of the participants, Safraniamagik, stood out because she said, in a completely extraordinary way

(2022 was the correct answer)
and, after I had given the correct answer:

You don't expect this kind of unusual comment when nothing extra-sensory is occurring. If I decide to accept as credible only respondents who seemed to acknowledge that some extra-sensory perception has taken place, then I get a 100% hit rate for credible answers.

In my first two tests on this forum (see for example http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9516155#post9516155), I also found a hit rate less than 25%, but I nevertheless concluded the tests had been successes, after distinguishing carefully between the answers which seem serious and those which did not.

It would appear that you didn't receive my message.

That's a 100% failure rate. Proof positive that telepathy is bunk: QED! /thread.
 
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One of the important discoveries that I made early in these online telepathy tests is that the answers should always be analysed and interpreted (this has to be done with care and without bias, of course). ...

The only reason you need to interpret the answers is to get the result you want. Anyone can see that. You have no way to interpret without bias and over the years have rejected any suggested way of eliminating bias. I really don't know why you keep sharing your obviously non-scientific hobby with us as if we were eventually going to fall for it.
 
Yes, there is nothing surprising or unusual about the fact I sometimes find that only about a quarter of the answers to one of my tests (with four possible answers) are correct.

What you fail to grasp is that this is the effect predicted by the null hypothesis. The proper response from science in this case is to reject the operative hypothesis. It did not predict the outcome. The null was not falsified.

One of the important discoveries that I made early in these online telepathy tests is that the answers should always be analysed and interpreted (this has to be done with care and without bias, of course).

No. This is not a "discovery" on your part. This is not something you should be proud of. Post hoc interpretation of experimental results is one of the most egregious hallmarks of pseudo-science, and you're wearing it like a medal. The goal of science is to control for and therefore eliminate all such irreproducible elements. You have been shown protocols that do this, but since your claimed skill disappears entirely when those protocols are applied, you find reasons to reject them and rely on your misapplied reputation as a scientist to advocate for them.

I should remind you that you already let the cat out of the bag. You already let slip that you define "good" results as those which support your predetermined conclusion, and "bad" results are those that reject it. You have already admitted that you use a biased interpretation to reject disconfirmatory trials and accept only confirmatory trials.

Some effort is needed.

Yes, but you expend effort toward finding new ways of cheating and trying to pass it off as your brilliant scientific discovery. Real science expends efforts toward eliminating the variables you're strenuously trying to put in.

When the results of an extra-sensory test seem too good to be true...

What do you intend "good" and "true" to mean in this statement?

...this may indicate some cheating has taken place.

No. Real scientific protocols make it impossible to cheat, or to make attempts to cheat objectively evident instead of subject to the feelings of the test conductor. You were shown how this could be done, but you are not interested because you specifically intend to cheat and call the cheating a new important discovery you should be praised for.

When the results lead more to a conclusion like "it's a little hard, but it seems to work", then, this may mean some serious and reliable result has been achieved.

No. The reliability of the result derives from the rigor of the protocol, the degree to which it is followed, and the conformance of the collected data to the statistical model. Scientific validity of the experiment is never predicated on whether the data "seem" to validate the operative hypothesis. That is straight-up pseudo-science.

...one of the participants, Safraniamagik, stood out because she said, in a completely extraordinary way...

No. Since you knew whether the answer given by the participant favored your desired outcome, it doesn't matter what sham rationale you give for accepting or rejecting the data. Her datum stood out because you needed it to be included in your final data set. Your ad hoc gut feeling about metadata you should have excluded is not the real story. Post hoc judgment is untrustworthy per se, regardless of what you want to argue is "extraordinary."

If I decide to accept as credible only respondents who seemed to acknowledge that some extra-sensory perception has taken place, then I get a 100% hit rate for credible answers.

This is simply post hoc pseudo-science, Michel. You have stated that you think "good" results are only those results that confirm your hypothesis. Therefore you have invented an irreproducible post hoc system of subjective analysis that is clearly aimed at producing your idea of "good" results. Your subjective notions of "credibility" have no place in this kind of research and are completely controlled for in a properly modeled study.

...I nevertheless concluded the tests had been successes, after distinguishing carefully between the answers which seem serious and those which did not.

No. You didn't like the results you got, so you applied pseudo-scientific post hoc interpretation to achieve your desired results.

You seem to think you're very clever for "discovering" that if you manipulate data in a post hoc fashion, you can make the results come out however you want. You seem to be proud of having discovered a well-known shenanigan of pseudo-science.

This is not science. You are not a scientist. You admit that you have no appropriate qualification or experience in human-subject research. Whereas I'm taking a break to write this from writing a methodology for human-subject research that will be subject to approval from several government agencies who regulate this sort of thing. I'm the principal investigator in the study. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
I think this is better achieved if I give participants some information about the sentence (in the case of this test) that I did circle, if I say "it is one of these four, in front of you".

I see.

You choose to do your tests this way because it is more favorable to get the results you want.

How do you tell the difference between someone just guessing a sentence versus someone actually getting a telepathic message from you?
 
I should remind you that you already let the cat out of the bag. You already let slip that you define "good" results as those which support your predetermined conclusion, and "bad" results are those that reject it. You have already admitted that you use a biased interpretation to reject disconfirmatory trials and accept only confirmatory trials.
When I do a telepathy test, I regard the test as good and successful when the results support telepathy. But this doesn't mean, of course, that I am ready to cheat in order to achieve these apparently good results.

No cheating on my part could have led Loss Leader (a moderator on this forum, which was then the forum of the Randi Educational Foundation) to say, in a completely extraordinary way:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
(his answer was correct).

Then skeptics tried to argue without serious evidence that this post was somehow "sarcastic" because they didn't like it. A sad example of people being grossly unscientific, while accusing me of being unscientific. They also bizarrely accused me of lacking respect for this passed away person, which has never been my intention.

No cheating on my part could have led Safraniamagick to say, on Doctissimo (see above), in a completely extraordinary way:
... now it doesn't stop telling me it was 2022
...
Aah I need to listen more to the little voice in my head.
(her answer "2022" was correct too).

These extraordinary things (and many others similar) did happen, even though they are beyond my control.

Of course, this doesn't mean that I alone am telepathic (though I seem to have a specificity), I believe we are probably all telepathic, that's also true for many animals.
What do you intend "good" and "true" to mean in this statement?
If some people obtain consistently hit rates of 80 or 90% in worldwide extra-sensory tests, I would consider this suspicious.

It is important to keep in mind that, when you read a report on a extra-sensory experiment in a parapsychology journal, you have almost no way of verifying the data, you have to trust the author(s). In this sense, the testimonies and results that you see in my telepathy threads are more trustworthy.
This is not science. You are not a scientist. You admit that you have no appropriate qualification or experience in human-subject research. Whereas I'm taking a break to write this from writing a methodology for human-subject research that will be subject to approval from several government agencies who regulate this sort of thing. I'm the principal investigator in the study. You don't know what you're talking about.
There isn't much that I can say about your work, especially as you don't give a lot of details. However, telepathy research about a "special case" may require some special methods of investigation which are not necessarily most suited to standard psychological or medical research.
 
I see.

You choose to do your tests this way because it is more favorable to get the results you want.

How do you tell the difference between someone just guessing a sentence versus someone actually getting a telepathic message from you?
If the person who answers and participates in my test doesn't give me some clue, using his or her own words, that some extra-sensory perception took place (or may have occurred), I have no way to tell.
 
When I do a telepathy test, I regard the test as good and successful when the results support telepathy.

And this is perfectly anti-scientific. You are literally admitting that your estimate of the quality of the results is based on whether it supports your desired hypothesis. This is why nobody takes you seriously, not because of some ideological disagreement. You simply don't understand science at its most fundamental level.

Then skeptics tried to argue without serious evidence that [Loss Leader's] post was somehow "sarcastic" because they didn't like it.

Not because we "didn't like it," but because -- unlike you -- we do not suffer from an untreated mental illness, one of the symptoms of which is an inability to detect sarcasm. You were invited to find others in whose judgment agreed with yours, and you were unable to do so.

A sad example of people being grossly unscientific, while accusing me of being unscientific.

You have the cart before the horse. You initiated the pseudo-science by demanding that your ad hoc subjective judgment about the "sincerity" of respondents should select the data. That your judgment fails for reasons you've confessed to merely shows that you are unable to properly follow your own broken protocol. Two wrongs don't make a right.

They also bizarrely accused me of lacking respect for this passed away person, which has never been my intention.

Nonsense. You keep bringing up the subject knowing from experience that it will offend and incite your critics. It is therefore at this point entirely intentional.

No cheating on my part could have led Safraniamagick to say, on Doctissimo (see above), in a completely extraordinary way:

Your personal judgment that some irrelevant addendum to the data was "extraordinary" is entirely unscientific. You are firmly, intentionally, and proudly engaged in post hoc filtration of data.

It is important to keep in mind that, when you read a report on a extra-sensory experiment in a parapsychology journal, you have almost no way of verifying the data, you have to trust the author(s).

No, you don't. A properly controlled experiment will publish a protocol that allows anyone else to follow it and either confirm or refute the study by collecting their own data in similar fashion. You are inexperienced in this field. Kindly do not lecture your betters.

In this sense, the testimonies and results that you see in my telepathy threads are more trustworthy.

No. In no way are your results reliable. I won't repeat all my arguments why, because you either don't understand them or you aren't willing to address them.

There isn't much that I can say about your work...

No. You're not qualified.

However, telepathy research about a "special case" may require some special methods of investigation which are not necessarily most suited to standard psychological or medical research.

No. Blatant pseudo-science (i.e., post hoc data culling) is not a "special method." It's just cheating.
 
If the person who answers and participates in my test doesn't give me some clue, using his or her own words, that some extra-sensory perception took place (or may have occurred), I have no way to tell.

False. There is a very well-known method of determining whether results are better explained by one hypothesis than by another. But since it doesn't tell you what you want to hear, you make up your own methods that let you cherry-pick data.
 
I think this is better achieved if I give participants some information about the sentence (in the case of this test) that I did circle…

Why is this a criteria in your testing? Are you saying that people who have telepathy have to give other people examples of what they are going to be thinking in order for telepathy to actually work?
 
If the person who answers and participates in my test doesn't give me some clue, using his or her own words, that some extra-sensory perception took place (or may have occurred), I have no way to tell.

BINGO!

What’s wrong with someone generating 1000 random 100 digit numbers and you circling one of them and then telepathically broadcasting that number?

If someone gives you the number, you might have your answer!
 
Why is this a criteria in your testing? Are you saying that people who have telepathy have to give other people examples of what they are going to be thinking in order for telepathy to actually work?
No, I don't think this is necessary. Telepathy is clearly much more general.

But we telepaths (or apparent telepaths) are facing some hostility from people who find it more comfortable to depict us as mentally ill.

So we have to devise some tests which can help people and are not too demanding.
 

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