DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

The stunt did NOT backfire unless Fox News viewers somehow stopped agreeing it was a good thing.

For very limited definitions of "backfire"

The facts are that DeSantis and his scumbag minions fully expected the residents of Martha's Vinyard to react exactly how they themselves would react; the way the DO react when confronted with brown-skinned immigrants and asylum-seekers (i.e. "OMG!!!!! What are all those brown people doing here? We don't want them here. There's no place for them here. Put them on the first plane home").

Instead, the regular white-skinned residents, many of them elderly and retired, pulled out all the stops to make them welcome. They fed them, and gave them clothes and mobile phones, they brought local school kids to help translate for them, gave them a place to stay. Residents from across the island raised more than $175,000, some of the donations were multiple thousands of dollars but most of them in the $50 to $100 range. The Vinyarders acted in a kind, generous, humanitarian way, the exact opposite of what DeSantis and his cronies expected.

That is a backfire any way you slice it, and it could get worse for DeSantis, a lot worse.

Now of course, it will never influence the hard core GOP supporters, because for them, triggering the libz and inflicting cruelty on brown skinned people is the whole point. But it could well influence independents, and in a close election, it is the independents who have the greatest impact on the outcome.
 
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If I'm understanding some of the arguments put forward in this thread, if someone makes an illegal crossing, even if it becomes legal by seeking asylum, then that person is an 'illegal'?

Which means that if I, a natural born American citizen, made an illegal crossing, then I'm also an 'illegal'? Huh?
 
If I'm understanding some of the arguments put forward in this thread, if someone makes an illegal crossing, even if it becomes legal by seeking asylum, then that person is an 'illegal'?

Which means that if I, a natural born American citizen, made an illegal crossing, then I'm also an 'illegal'? Huh?

Yup. Go figure!
 
If I'm understanding some of the arguments put forward in this thread, if someone makes an illegal crossing, even if it becomes legal by seeking asylum, then that person is an 'illegal'?

Which means that if I, a natural born American citizen, made an illegal crossing, then I'm also an 'illegal'? Huh?


Read more. And don't rely on the opinions of those who don't. ;)

The argument is that the special exception should not excuse them from facing deportation, and not absolve them of responsibility for such crime. Without the exception, and treated like others who cross illegally, they would face that judgement, most likely. Even under pandemic restrictions.
 
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The stunt did NOT backfire unless Fox News viewers somehow stopped agreeing it was a good thing.


Exactly. DeSantis wants the base of voters that support Trump. He is doing well with that, imo. Imagine all of the liberal tears if he wins in 2024. Imagine them shouting about how "wrong" he was with this stunt.

It is delicious.
 
Exactly. DeSantis wants the base of voters that support Trump. He is doing well with that, imo. Imagine all of the liberal tears if he wins in 2024. Imagine them shouting about how "wrong" he was with this stunt.

It is delicious.

So DeSantis wants all the idiots who believe the election was stolen and are too stupid to see Trump and DeSantis for what they are. He can have them.
 
So DeSantis wants all the idiots who believe the election was stolen and are too stupid to see Trump and DeSantis for what they are. He can have them.

Unfortunately that would appear to be 40% of the US electorate :(

Unless the Democratic Party candidate can get those other 60% out in force those 40% plus any people who simply vote GOP regardless plus election tampering equals victory.
 
So DeSantis wants all the idiots who believe the election was stolen and are too stupid to see Trump and DeSantis for what they are. He can have them.


Sounds like the perfect mindset for a 2016 rally. I love it.
 
Exactly. DeSantis wants the base of voters that support Trump. He is doing well with that, imo. Imagine all of the liberal tears if he wins in 2024. Imagine them shouting about how "wrong" he was with this stunt.

It is delicious.

I mean, nobody can stop you from holding this opinion, but it kind of pulls the rug on any credibility when you pretend to be moralizing on a principle.
 
I mean, nobody can stop you from holding this opinion, but it kind of pulls the rug on any credibility when you pretend to be moralizing on a principle.


I wouldn't expect any liberal to think differently. There is a box. Step outside of it. And think.
 
I've been reminding everyone I know that enjoys being all up Trump's ass lately, that early in his term he was offered a deal to get his wall money, in exchange for dealing with DACA, 700,000 kids that were already here.
But the "deal maker" wouldn't do it, and as such, any problems that exist today could have been stopped there and then, and Trump could have claimed a campaign promise kept, even if Mexico didn't pay for it. Surprisingly, most seem to have never heard about it, or flat out call it a lie, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ocrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

And the worst is, taking that deal would have significantly hurt the Democratic party, as it would have alienated a good chunk of their voters for no gains elsewhere.
 
Meanwhile, back in the real world, all of a sudden DeSantis is praising Joe Biden.
Proving that even the most partisan politics fall by the wayside when a hurricane is approaching, Gov. Ron DeSantis had nothing but good things to say about President Joe Biden during a Tuesday night interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity....DeSantis had indicated a willingness to talk to Biden, dropping the antagonistic rhetoric he’d used toward the President since shortly after the two worked together in the aftermath of the historic building collapse in Surfside. "I’m happy to brief the President if he’s interested in hearing what we’re doing in Florida,” DeSantis said at a press conference Tuesday. Florida Politics dot com

Remember back in the early days of the pandemic, when governors had to 'thank' trump and praise him publicly or they didn't get relief aid from the federal government. Can you spell i-n-t-e-g-r-i-t-y?
 

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Exactly. DeSantis wants the base of voters that support Trump. He is doing well with that, imo. Imagine all of the liberal tears if he wins in 2024. Imagine them shouting about how "wrong" he was with this stunt.

It is delicious.

And he would have gotten the ball rolling by abusing the defenseless.

Those of us with our heads and hearts in the right place know it's not delicious. . . .it's despicable.
 
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Read more. And don't rely on the opinions of those who don't. ;)

The argument is that the special exception should not excuse them from facing deportation, and not absolve them of responsibility for such crime. Without the exception, and treated like others who cross illegally, they would face that judgement, most likely. Even under pandemic restrictions.

This is a wish for who you think should be considered 'illegals', and not a rational defense of describing people here legally as 'illegals'.
 
I wouldn't expect any liberal to think differently. There is a box. Step outside of it. And think.

If I'm stepping to a place where I give up any integrity to gleefully revel in spite, no thanks. You don't get to be the "I don't give a crap" guy and also the moral guardian.
 
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You don't get to be the "I don't give a crap" guy and also the moral guardian.


Actually, I kind of do get to be that. Because, like most, I see my personal morality as superior to that of others.
 
This is a wish for who you think should be considered 'illegals', and not a rational defense of describing people here legally as 'illegals'.


I can call them whatever I like. I am allowed to have an opinion, you know. I am not claiming these migrants are "illegals" in the eyes of the law. Just that they should be.
 

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